When Is A President Not A President?

  1. There are three correct answers to the question...
    1) When he has not been elected.
    2) When foreign troops are installing that person into the Presidency.
    3) When the American propaganda team (Associated Press) is calling someone a president, but the 'natives' might be calling a voodoo puppet from Bush.

    Note: the CIA infuenced AP describes the real president of Haiti this way... "Aristide was a wildly popular slum priest". True, and Bush is an oily, wildly popular, alcohol influenced Jesus freak."

    Nurse Hardee
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    Haiti's Interim President Urges Calm
    By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer

    PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Haiti's interim president took the reins of his country's shattered government Monday as supporters of Jean-Bertrand Aristide demanded the ousted leader's return. U.S. Marines acknowledged they killed one of seven people gunned down in weekend violence-the first armed action of their week-old mission here.

    Military helicopters circled overhead and U.S. Marines in armored cars patrolled the streets Monday outside the National Palace as Boniface Alexandre was formally installed.

    "Aristide or death!" Aristide supporters yelled at the gates of the palace during the ceremony, their shouts carrying into the room where Alexandre urged his countrymen to remain calm.

    "We are all brothers and sisters," said Alexandre, who has served as president for a week and was officially sworn in Feb. 29. "We are all in the same boat, and if it sinks, it sinks with all of us."

    Earlier, Aristide declared from his African exile that he was still president of Haiti and urged "peaceful resistance" in his homeland.

    "I am the democratically elected president and I remain so. I plead for the restoration of democracy," Aristide said from Bangui, Central African Republic, in his first public appearance since he fled Haiti Feb. 29 aboard a plane chartered by the U.S. government.

    Aristide said his departure was a "political kidnapping (that) unfortunately opened the road to an occupation."

    The United States denies Aristide's charge that he was forced to step down. But the 15-nation Caribbean Community has called for an international investigation.

    In Washington, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said, "If Mr. Aristide really wants to serve his country, he really has to, we think, let his nation get on with the future and not try to stir up the past again."

    Aristide was a wildly popular slum priest, elected on promises to champion the poor who make up the vast majority of Haiti's 8 million people. But he has lost support, with Haitians saying he failed to improve their lives, condoned corruption and used police and armed supporters to attack his political opponents.

    U.S. Marines and French Legionnaires have been in Haiti since Aristide's departure Feb. 29, the vanguard of a U.N. force to restore peace to the country, where a monthlong rebellion left more than 130 dead. On Monday, there were about 1,600 Marines, 800 French soldiers and police and 130 Chilean troops in Haiti.

    A United Nations (news - web sites) team was on its way to Haiti to plan for a multinational force that will deploy there within the next three months, a U.N. spokesman said Monday.

    On Monday, hundreds of people ransacked Port-au-Prince's industrial park, carrying away wood paneling, toilets, even a plastic Mickey Mouse. One looter wore the top part of horse costume on his head as he made off with a mirror. The looting took place less than half a mile from the international airport where U.S. Marines have set up base.

    Alexandre urged people "to keep calm. No one has the right to do justice by themselves."

    Monday's pro-Aristide demonstration was mostly peaceful, a sharp contrast to the massive anti-Aristide protest Sunday in which seven people were killed, including a foreign journalist.

    U.S. Marines acknowledged Monday they killed one gunman at Sunday's demonstration. "He had a gun and he was shooting at Marines," Col. Charles Gurganus told reporters Monday.

    Gurganus said they did not know who the man was, did not know where his body is, and did not have his weapon, which he said was snatched by someone.

    The violence, the worst bloodshed since Aristide fled, led both opponents and supporters of Aristide to threaten armed action, damaging efforts to reach a frail peace.

    Chief rebel leader Guy Philippe said Sunday's attack never would have happened if his men had not been asked to lay down their arms. He warned Monday that "I will reunite my men and take up arms" if the peacekeepers did not disarm Aristide loyalists blamed for Sunday's attack.

    Later, Philippe met with opposition leader Evans Paul, with whom he has wanted to discuss reconstituting Haiti's disgraced army, whose brutality and corruption is blamed for keeping Haiti in misery.

    Ignoring Aristide's claims to Haiti's leadership, a recently appointed seven-member Council of Sages was interviewing three top candidates for prime minister Monday, to replace Aristide appointee Yvon Neptune.

    The new premier, whom the council hoped to name on Tuesday, would form a transitional government from Aristide's Lavalas party and a disparate opposition coalition.

    The candidates are:

    _ Businessman Smarck Michel, Aristide's prime minister in 1994-1995 who resigned over differences in economic policy.

    _ Retired Lt. Gen. Herard Abraham, who is probably the only Haitian army officer to voluntarily surrender power to a civilian, in 1990. He allowed the transition that led to Haiti's first free elections in December 1990, which Aristide won in a landslide.

    _ Gerard Latortue, a former U.N. official and an international business consultant who was foreign minister in 1988 to former President Leslie Manigat. Manigat was toppled in one of the 32 coups fomented by Haiti's army, which ousted Aristide in 1991 and was disbanded after 20,000 troops came to Haiti in 1994 to halt an exodus of boat people to Florida and restore democracy.
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    Associated Press writers Ian James and Peter Prengaman contributed to this report from Port-au-Prince.
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  2. 31 Comments

  3. by   jkaee
    [QUOTE=NurseHardee]There are three correct answers to the question...
    1) When he has not been elected.
    2) When foreign troops are installing that person into the Presidency.
    3) When the American propaganda team (Associated Press) is calling someone a president, but the 'natives' might be calling a voodoo puppet from Bush.

    Note: the CIA infuenced AP describes the real president of Haiti this way... "Aristide was a wildly popular slum priest". True, and Bush is an oily, wildly popular, alcohol influenced Jesus freak."

    Nurse Hardee



    You certainly have the right to your opinion, Nurse Hardee, but to call someone a "Jesus freak" is HIGHLY offensive. You may not be a Christian, but I am, and I find it reprehensible that you would use that term.

    Since when did having a strong faith in their religion make someone a "freak"?




    Think before you speak.....although I don't think you care who you offend.
    Last edit by jkaee on Mar 9, '04
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The term "jesus freak" was in quotes.
  5. by   jkaee
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    The term "jesus freak" was in quotes.

    To me, it doesn't matter....think of how someone would be slammed if someone wrote "***", "queer" or "dyke". It doesn't matter if it's in quotes or not, you have to think of how other people might feel using a certain term. I'm not about walking on eggshells, just being sensitive to how other people might feel when you use a certain phrase or term.



    Just for the record, I don't use the above written terms....I was just trying to make a point.

    I don't want this to turn into another "religious" debate..I just wanted to express my feelings.

    Jennifer
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Best way to avoid a debate is to simply exit the thread altogether.
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Separated, I cut myself clean
    From a past that comes back in my darkest of dreams
    Been apprehended by a spiritual force
    And a grace that replaced all the me I've divorced

    I saw a man with tattoo on his big fat belly
    It wiggled around like marmalade jelly
    It took me a while to catch what it said
    Cause I had to match the rhythm
    Of his belly with my head
    'Jesus Saves' is what it raved in a typical tattoo green
    He stood on a box in the middle of the city
    And claimed he had a dream

    What will people think
    When they hear that I'm a Jesus freak
    What will people do when they find that it's true
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak
    There ain't no disguising the truth

    Kamikaze, my death is gain
    I've been marked by my Maker
    A peculiar display
    The high and lofty, they see me as weak
    Cause I won't live and die for the power they seek

    There was a man from the desert with naps in his head
    The sand that he walked was also his bed
    The words that he spoke made the people assume
    There wasn't too much left in the upper room
    With skins on his back and hair on his face
    They thought he was strange by the locusts he ate
    The Pharisees tripped when they heard him speak
    Until the king took the head of this Jesus freak

    People say I'm strange, does it make me a stranger
    That my best friend was born in a manger
    People say I'm strange, does it make me a stranger
    That my best friend was born in a manger

    What will people think
    What will people think
    What will people do
    What will people do

    I don't really care
    What else can I say
    There ain't no disguising the truth
    Jesus is the way

    ****************

    Jesus Freak . . .

    steph
  8. by   jkaee
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    Best way to avoid a debate is to simply exit the thread altogether.


    You are right, LPN2be.....I don't mind a debate, as long as we all try to keep things civil.

    I'm outta here! :wink2:
  9. by   jkaee
    you said it, steph.

    Thanks for taking the time to post that!


    Jennifer
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    Once my patient was Hatian with very different beliefs. She was terrified someone would use something from her to make a 'hex'.
    Her family had brought in a potted tree so her bathwater and what we cleaned off her dentures could be cleansed by the soil. The hair from her comb was burned so we put the comb in a baggie.
    Her family told me a lot of the beliefs of many Haitians.
    Some do not trust science, doctors, or nurses.
    Children die of tetanus. They put manure on the umbilicus.
    A child dressed in red is a child of the devil. They are fed but not loved.

    They consider themselves Catholic.

    Seems Aristide does believe in education. He started a medical school. Two weeks ago the faculty left the country.
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Oops, forgot the topic.
    When is it OK for the USA to participate in and/or lead a regime change?

    We force the democratically elected president out of his country!

    What do you have to say about that!
    Any thoughts?
  12. by   NurseHardee
    While others get into a huff because they say it is offensive to call Bush a "Jesus freak" (instead of whether Aristide should be called a 'slum priest')... this just in from President of Haiti, Colin Powell.... NH
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    Tuesday March 9, Yahoo News- Frence Press Agency
    US looking for new prime minister for Haiti: Powell

    The United States is working to find a replacement for Haitian Prime Minister Yvon Neptune, US Secretary of State Colin Powell acknowledged late Monday.

    "We are working hard with the new council of eminent persons that has been created to come up with a new prime minister," Powell told Fox News Channel.

    Neptune was a close ally of former Haitian president Jean Bertrand Aristide, but remained in office after Aristide resigned on February 29 and left for the Central African Republic on a US-supplied plane.

    A former structural engineer of humble origins, Neptune is one of top power players in the Lavalas family party, the bulwark of Aristide's power.

    He forged closed ties with the former president while both lived in exile in the United States following a 1991 military coup led by general Raul Cedras that toppled the first Aristide government.

    The Haitian president returned to power in 1994 as a result of intervention by a US-led international force, in which general Powell, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, played a prominent role.

    On Monday, Powell expressed regret that Aristide had "squandered the opportunity that was given to him by the presence of American troops and by the international community that stuck with it for years."

    "But this time, I hope we can come out with a better political arrangement," he said.
    Last edit by NurseHardee on Mar 9, '04
  13. by   WyomingRN
    To me, referring to someone as a "Jesus Freak" is synonymous with hypocrite. And - as a Christian - I think is was applied correctly in this instance. Bush's actions sure haven't been very "Christians lately (the last 10 years).

    Also, remember that one of the big reasons for going into Iraq was to "establish a democracy". It seems that the US government only like a democracy when it suits the criminal politicians who are in office. The US has actually upset or destroyed more than twenty democracies over the last two decades. That is why the world is getting very weary of the US. One day they call you friend; and the next day US troops are invading them.
  14. by   teeituptom
    When is a president not a president

    when his name is George W Bushie

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