What's Your Take on Tookie Williams

  1. Debate here is always interesting. Convicted murderer Tookie Williams is scheduled to die in seven days, on December 13.

    Should he be spared?

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20051129a.html
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  2. 134 Comments

  3. by   TheCommuter
    Oops! For a moment I thought you were referring to Tookie Smith, Robert DeNiro's supermodel ex-girlfriend.

    I think the death penalty is too costly to taxpayers because the appeals process runs the tab into the millions over the years before they end up even killing the damned inmate. :angryfire

    It's actually cheaper to feed, clothe and shelter the prisoner for the rest of his natural life. I like the idea of hard labor to be included in a lengthy murder sentence.
  4. by   Spidey's mom
    Well, first of all can we stop calling him "Tookie" . . . .he is a cold blooded killer and it seems to me that continuing to call him by his nickname is a way to make him seem otherwise.

    He is guilty of killing 4 people. I don't care that he writes children's books now or studies philosophy and world religion and black history. He hasn't given the police any info on the gang he started in order to break the gang up.

    In my opinion, whether we had the death penalty or not, he should never get out of jail. I do not think becoming a "better" person negates the crimes you commit. And I don't think he has truly become a "better" person. I think it is an act.

    Call me skeptical.

    steph
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from TheCommuter
    Oops! For a moment I thought you were referring to Tookie Smith, Robert DeNiro's supermodel ex-girlfriend.

    I think the death penalty is too costly to taxpayers because the appeals process runs the tab into the millions over the years before they end up even killing the damned inmate. :angryfire

    It's actually cheaper to feed, clothe and shelter the prisoner for the rest of his natural life. I like the idea of hard labor to be included in a lengthy murder sentence.
    You could limit them to only 2 appeals though. No one said it has to go on indefinitely.

    steph
  6. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from stevielynn
    You could limit them to only 2 appeals though. No one said it has to go on indefinitely.

    steph
    But some states (like my generous home state of California) allow the appeals process to go on unchecked.
  7. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from TheCommuter
    Oops! For a moment I thought you were referring to Tookie Smith, Robert DeNiro's supermodel ex-girlfriend.

    That's funny because I thought the exact same thing for a minute.
  8. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Should have happened a long time ago.

    The message we should be sending gang members isn't some sort of gang-fested spiritual phoenix-like, gang member does good story.

    The message we should be sending is - if you murder, you will pay for your crimes.

    It's just a shame it couldn't be a firing squad, live on national TV. But give reality TV a few years, maybe one of his fellow bangers can have that privilege. . .

    Personally, I'm not so sure Arnie's not gonna commute him.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  9. by   VeryPlainJane
    KILL HIM... KILL HIM ... I WANT BLOOD!

    He has been nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in helping to prevent gang violence.

    He has been nominated four times for the Nobel Literature Prize for his children's books that warn young people about the pitfalls of joining a gang and exposes them to alternatives.

    He maintains innocence of the crimes he was accused of, and faced racist discrimination throughout his trial. One issue highlighted the fact that the prosecutor in Tookie's original case removed three African-American jurors from the jury. During Stan's trial, this prosecutor made racially-coded remarks during his closing argument, comparing Stan during the trial to a Bengal tiger in the zoo and stating that a black community - South Central Los Angeles - was equivalent to the natural "habitat" of a Bengal Tiger.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Tookie on his final appeal and set his execution date for December 13. Thus they disregarded 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-in-a-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This landmark ruling means that minorities can now legally be rejected from juries based on race. This is now the law of the land.

    http://www.savetookie.org/

    Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California, would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially young black men who have hurt other young black men.


    Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the Crips legacy.

    So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret that I ever did.

    As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.

    I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.

    I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others.

    I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions.
    Amani (Peace)

    http://www.tookie.com/apology.html

    What would Jesus do?
    Last edit by VeryPlainJane on Dec 7, '05
  10. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from VeryPlainJane
    KILL HIM... KILL HIM ... I WANT BLOOD!

    He has been nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in helping to prevent gang violence.
    And I didn't doubt Carla Fay Tucker's sincerity that she converted. I hope she's in heaven now.

    But she still had a debt to pay here.

    And finding a hobby while you're locked up doesn't constitute by any means the debt repayment that Williams owes.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  11. by   VeryPlainJane
    Maybe we could have his execution on pay per view, many blood thirsty Americans would pay to see that! Many people came out to see Christ executed too!

    I hope he is in heaven now.
  12. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from VeryPlainJane
    Maybe we could have his execution on pay per view, many blood thirsty Americans would pay to see that!
    I would pay . . .

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Dec 7, '05
  13. by   VeryPlainJane
    For Tookie's, Christ's, or both?
  14. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from VeryPlainJane
    For Tookie's, Christ's, or both?
    Well I did go see 'Passion of the Christ' . . .

    (wink: you can't get me w/ the irrelevant sacrilege this time.)

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

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