What is Going On?

  1. I've read over a number of threads on this general topic, and I have to wonder what we (as a nation) are thinking. What are we teaching our children?

    Today, I read Mario's posts about the US committing the worst act of terror of all time in dropping the atomic bombs in WW II. A terrible act, to be sure, but necessary at the time to prevent far greater loss of life. Surely, I was suprised, because from the tone of Mario's past posts, I know him to be both intelligent and forthright. Americans, terrorists?

    Then, on the way home, I hear on the radio that the NEA has put out lesson plans for teachers to use on 9/11/02 to help kids put the events of one year ago into perspective. Included in these plans are specific instructions to point out to kids that we don't know and can't prove who committed these acts. WHAT???

    In that vein, I'd like to post the following, emailed to me as a reminder of what is true, and what I hold dear:

    Speech by former Air Combat Command Commander US Air Force General (ret) Hawley

    "Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are: 1) 'We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative.' Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying 'We're good' doesn't mean, 'We're perfect.' Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be, the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers."

    "2) 'Violence only leads to more violence.' This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not 'on trial,' not 'reeducated,' not 'nurtured back into the bosom of love.' Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea.

    "3) 'The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us.' For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. 'After all,' they reasoned, 'you can see a license plate from 200 miles away.' This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say 'Hi ya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella.' Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years.

    "4) 'These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us.' Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohamed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the 'alleged hijackers,' according to CNN. They stopped using the word 'terrorist,' you know), is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the Anti-Global-Warming (or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want demonstrators) They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card (!) before driving to the airport in their SUV's.

    "5) 'Any profiling is racial profiling.' Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official actually said, 'That little old grandmother from Sioux City could be carrying something.' Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? Winning a hundred Powerball lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly ---three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing 'We Are the World' for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, 'Well, at least we didn't offend them.'

    "SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year:

    "Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters.

    "Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says, we didn't start this.

    "Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, 'No More Hiroshimas'?

    "I wish I had one that says, 'You First. No More Pearl Harbors'."

    Thank you, General Hawley.

    Kevin McHugh
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  2. 147 Comments

  3. by   shay
    Ohhhhhh, Kevin........I am so in love with you now. Come with me to my conservative love nest. :chuckle :kiss

    Reading your posts just naturally brings down my blood pressure. Ahhhhhhhh.
  4. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Thanks Kevin. I emailed that speech along to the people I know would get some enjoyment out of it. Awesome speech.

    I just can't believe more haven't responded.

    Heather
  5. by   eltrip
    Kevin, hon, thanks for posting the speech! Sometimes all of the mumbo-jumbo makes me want to say "DUH!!!" However, I'll defend to the death their right to say it!

    Liberal, Conservative, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, whatever, we're all Americans. Even when the Liberals are wrong!
  6. by   RN-PA
    Originally posted by shay:
    Ohhhhhh, Kevin........I am so in love with you now. Come with me to my conservative love nest.
    You're gonna first have to fight *ME* for kevin, shay! I want him for *MY* conservative love nest!

    Seriously though, I have been following Kevin's intelligent, articulate, and common sense responses on the other threads and I want to thank him for all of them. I've learned a lot and agree with everything he's said. The liberal media and groups like the NEA continue to foster and perpetuate many of the anti-America attitudes taught to our children and disseminated to the world daily through the media. I am sick to death of the propaganda and will be emailing General Hawley's speech to family and friends-- Thank you General Hawley and Kevin McHugh! :kiss
  7. by   mario_ragucci
    Whether it be done by a small or large group of people, war and terror is war and terror. Our country is no white knight when it comes to achieving world power. This mind set has got to shift if we are to have a pleasant place to live.

    Using nuclear weapons on civilians was terrorist. To justify their use during any time is dangerous for children to be exposed to, let alone adults. Terrorists are not just middle eastern masked gunmen. And good people are not just the ones who have jobs and ride in automobiles. It's 2002. We are all more connected today than ever, supposedly.

    Time is marching on, and as it does, people should quit trying to pretend what's going on and just, simply, be more aware. More aware of how other people of the world might view our actions in the past. Just like our country was founded on rebellion and independance, we must recognize other countries have the potential to declare that too. But if a country achieves independence from American influence, and uses weapons we once used, where do we stand? Better, I think, to talk more about compromise/solution as opposed to serious potential of indiscrimanent loss of life as a justifable action. I don't want to see a catastrophe on my homeland.

    I don't claim to have any answers, and don't claim to be rightous. I am humble to assert my view here to this thread.

    I served 4 honorable years with USMC, and i was an active-duty grunt, not some pretty boy in the airwing, or something like that. For those who want to portray my remarks as unAmerican, you may take some things for granted. This is a free country, and we respect one another, which doesn't include trying to bully a person with John Wayne stances about how I am out of order to pay homage to victums of an atomic attack.
  8. by   delirium
    I'd just like to say thanks for posting the speech here, and thank you to whoever bumped it so that I saw it.

    I agree whole-heartedly, and I will be forwarding the speech to my like-minded friends.

    Thanks again, Kevin.
  9. by   LasVegasRN
    I've spent quite a long time reading and re-reading this thread, and thinking about how or if I wanted to reply.

    I will say that as far as teaching MY daughter about America TODAY (whole other issue about America's past and how it came into existence) is that this country has defended it's freedoms and continued existence based on the intention of maintaining freedom, charity, and opportunity for all. I will also teach her that being an American does not automatically make her better or superior to anyone else.
  10. by   mario_ragucci
    Originally posted by kmchugh
    Today, I read Mario's posts about the US committing the worst act of terror of all time in dropping the atomic bombs in WW II. A terrible act, to be sure, but necessary at the time to prevent far greater loss of life. Surely, I was suprised, because from the tone of Mario's past posts, I know him to be both intelligent and forthright. Americans, terrorists?
    Yes Kevin. The worst. Remove the views of the circumstances. At a single city, within 5-10 seconds, approximately 70,000 human lives ended, in the most horrid way. Pressure, heat, blast and radiation...all at the same time. Kevin, what on earth caused more terror for people than an atomic bomb going off overhead. Again, remove the who or why...just look at the event(s). Cancer, burns, genetic alterations. You tell me what was worse than that.
  11. by   delirium
    I don't really know what I'm talking about here (my history teacher was gone more often than he was in class, we all suspected he was a drug runner for the Colombians, he killed himself a month or so ago), so I'm going to keep my post short.

    I don't think its about which act is worst, really. As much as it pains me to say this, I think its about what is justifiable, and what benefits the greater good.

    That's all I'm going to say.
  12. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by MsPurp
    I don't think its about which act is worst, really. As much as it pains me to say this, I think its about what is justifiable, and what benefits the greater good.
    Wow! She's smart AND she can cook a roast!

    Heather
  13. by   delirium
    Originally posted by OBNURSEHEATHER


    Wow! She's smart AND she can cook a roast!

    Heather
    I can do quite a few other things, too....

    The funny thing is, I edited my post... I was going to say blah blah blah... the greater good, if you subscribe to the utilitarian school of thought. Except my philosophy class was a long time ago, and I couldn't remember if utilitarians were the ones who wanted everything for the greater good of society, and I didn't want to look like a dope, so I deleted it.

    Still don't know jack about history. I try to watch the history channel every now and again to increase my knowledge base, but its usually so godawful boring.
  14. by   delirium
    Oh, and the jury's still out on the roast, don't forget. I don't think you can truthfully make that statement until AFTER dinner.

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