War and Gods

  1. While checking out the news today, as the war with Iraq gets started, I can't help but notice both Sadam and Bush were both making references to God. Doesn't it strike you as bafoonery when both of these causes ask for help from God. The troops are praying to God. We are praying to God to help our troops. Everyone who is involved with war loves their God. When are we gonna start to wize up to all this? We're supposed to be intelligent, but we place our future in the hands of Gods, even when the people we are trying to destroy also believe in Gods.

    Is the American God greater than other Gods because the American God gave the US better weapons? Will the American God go all the way this time and let the US use nuclear weapons? Will Sadams God tell him it's okay to use nuclear weapons? And, maybe if any God out there will be kind enough to come on to this mere thread and tell us which God he/she/it is and end war and help us with peace.
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  3. by   psychonurse
    Mario,,,,, it isn't God that is staring this war or going to make it any faster or slower......it is man and thier arrogence that has started this war and that will also end it.... I just hope that when it is all over we have taken care of the problem and we don't have to go back again.....
  4. by   caroladybelle
    I posted this previously - excuse my repetition.

    All I ask is that G-d's Will be done.

    Not Saddam Hussein's

    Not George W. Bush's

    Not Ariel Sharon's

    Not Chirac's

    Not Republicans'

    Not Democrats'

    Not Bill O'Reilly's, not Phil Donahue's, not Oprah's, not Rush Limbaugh's

    Not USA's, not Iraq's, not France's, not Great Britain's, not Germany's, not Israel's, not Pakistan's, not Turkey's, not Poland's

    All I ask is that He who created us from nothingness, He to whom we return to in death, He who guides all things - that G-d's Will Be Done.
  5. by   mario_ragucci
    Okay, so when Bush and Sadam talk about God helping them, they are doing it figuratively, and not meaning it like God is a real thing? Whats the difference between America's God and Iraq's God? Why do people call on God? What can God do for a nation, a troop or anything? I wish there was a sign I could hang over every God that says: "Wars-R-Us."

    People think of God when someone dies. People think of God when they go to war. Hmm, maybe Gods are some way the species controls it's own population. That's it! Now I know :-)
  6. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by caroladybelle
    I posted this previously - excuse my repetition.

    All I ask is that G-d's Will be done.

    Not Saddam Hussein's

    Not George W. Bush's

    Not Ariel Sharon's

    Not Chirac's

    Not Republicans'

    Not Democrats'

    Not Bill O'Reilly's, not Phil Donahue's, not Oprah's, not Rush Limbaugh's

    Not USA's, not Iraq's, not France's, not Great Britain's, not Germany's, not Israel's, not Pakistan's, not Turkey's, not Poland's

    All I ask is that He who created us from nothingness, He to whom we return to in death, He who guides all things - that G-d's Will Be Done.
    WOW!.....how very moving....all that's left to say, AMEN.
  7. by   eltrip
    Originally posted by mario_ragucci
    Okay, so when Bush and Sadam talk about God helping them, they are doing it figuratively, and not meaning it like God is a real thing? Whats the difference between America's God and Iraq's God? Why do people call on God? What can God do for a nation, a troop or anything? I wish there was a sign I could hang over every God that says: "Wars-R-Us."

    People think of God when someone dies. People think of God when they go to war. Hmm, maybe Gods are some way the species controls it's own population. That's it! Now I know :-)
    Mario, those who call on G-d do so with the realization that it is He who is in control of the universe, and not themselves. Personally, I think of G-d when I rise, as I drive, work, parent, speak, & when I lay back down to rest. I speak to my daughter of Him daily as we are driving to & fro...as we discuss the behavior of those in the middle east who harm others...as we discuss our own behavior. He is a constant in our lives, although I cannot speak for either President Bush nor Saddam Hussein.

    and finally,
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    Originally posted by caroladybelle
    I posted this previously - excuse my repetition.

    All I ask is that G-d's Will be done.

    Not Saddam Hussein's

    Not George W. Bush's

    Not Ariel Sharon's

    Not Chirac's

    Not Republicans'

    Not Democrats'

    Not Bill O'Reilly's, not Phil Donahue's, not Oprah's, not Rush Limbaugh's

    Not USA's, not Iraq's, not France's, not Great Britain's, not Germany's, not Israel's, not Pakistan's, not Turkey's, not Poland's

    All I ask is that He who created us from nothingness, He to whom we return to in death, He who guides all things - that G-d's Will Be Done.
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    Amen.
  8. by   caroladybelle
    Originally posted by mario_ragucci
    Okay, so when Bush and Sadam talk about God helping them, they are doing it figuratively, and not meaning it like God is a real thing? Whats the difference between America's God and Iraq's God? Why do people call on God? What can God do for a nation, a troop or anything? I wish there was a sign I could hang over every God that says: "Wars-R-Us."

    People think of God when someone dies. People think of God when they go to war. Hmm, maybe Gods are some way the species controls it's own population. That's it! Now I know :-)
    Mario,

    You are trying to be analytically about spirituality - Something that defies any analysis.

    Reminds me of trying to teach an engineering student about quantum theory/physics - a theory that truly defies an ability to analyze. Requires seriously abstract thinking and defies most "common" logic.

    Most leaders call on G-d to help them in whatever cause that they will pursue. I personally think that this habit makes them look good to the common populace and frequently helps the populace "bond" during adverse circumstances through a shared faith.

    However, I also think that it is incredibly vain and arrogant of world leaders to say "Help me win this war", especially when the other leader is saying the same thing. We do not know G-d's wishes in this matter. As a general rule, I was always taught to add a "If it is your will", just as some Muslims add, "If it is Allah's Will", or some Christians add, "If it be Thy will, oh Lord". While I may think that a war, or an action is "justified", G-d is the final arbitor.

    In addition, initially "bad" things may happen to good people/groups - why? Because through adversity, we grow and become stronger - and they turn to be "Good" for us, despite our initial distress and loss, we become better. If certain devastating life changes had not happened, I would not now be a Nurse. Being a Nurse is one of the best things in my life. Sometimes G-d throws road blocks at us to force us onto a better path.

    The reason for the post "G-d's will be done" initially on one of the war threads, was that many posters were acting like "our side" was the one that G-d automatically favored, that G-d bless this world leader, G-d will have us win this war, etc.- the attitude of using G-d as a magic wand and we will win. I was hoping that it would remind people to ask for his will be done, not their own will.

    Carolina in the South (temporarily in Philly)
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  10. by   RNinICU
    I may get flamed for this, but IMO, God has nothing to do with war. Most religions believe in one Supreme Being, who created all of mankind. Whether we call him God, Jehovah, Allah, or some other name, He is still the One God. Christians believe that He loves all of us equally, whether we are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or any other religion. What we believe about God, and how we worship him, is what makes up our religion. Many wars have been fought for religions over the millenia, but I do not believe there has ever been a war fought for God.

    As far as this or any other war is concerned, God is on no one's side. When He created us, He gave us free will. It is mankind who has decided to enter into war, and individual men who have made the choices that have brought us to this through their own free will. Some of those choices are forced upon us, but they are still choices made by free will. I do not pray for God to help us win this war. I pray for Him to be at the side of our leaders to give them support through these times and the difficult choices they must make. I pray for him to be at the sides of our young men who are fighting, and the innocent women and children who will undoubtedly be victims in this bloody battle. And I pray for healing in our country and between our allies so that when this is over, we can begin to work on a lasting peace for our world.
  11. by   ShandyLynnRN
    I think that those who go to war in the name of God, have strong convictions that they are doing God's will. Isn't that what the crusades were all about?

    I pray to God, that all our troops will be safe, that innocent civilians will be spared, and that peace will ultimately reign. That is because I believe that my God can do anything.



    I also agree with this: All I ask is that G-d's Will be done.

    Not Saddam Hussein's

    Not George W. Bush's

    Not Ariel Sharon's

    Not Chirac's

    Not Republicans'

    Not Democrats'

    Not Bill O'Reilly's, not Phil Donahue's, not Oprah's, not Rush Limbaugh's

    Not USA's, not Iraq's, not France's, not Great Britain's, not Germany's, not Israel's, not Pakistan's, not Turkey's, not Poland's

    All I ask is that He who created us from nothingness, He to whom we return to in death, He who guides all things - that G-d's Will Be Done.
  12. by   RNinICU
    Shandy, of course most of those going off to fight a war believe they are doing God's will. I am sure that a great many of our opposition's soldiers feel the same way. I am only stating my beliefs that war is not God's will, it is man's will.
    Last edit by RNinICU on Mar 20, '03
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    Excellent post, RNinICU.
  14. by   semstr
    Well, I think there is a higher being for all of us on this earth. Whatever you call him/ her/ it.

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