Vatican Says No Gay Priests

  1. What difference does it make it their celebate?

    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/30/Wo...policy__.shtml
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  3. by   fergus51
    Whatever. The catholic church will become completely irrelevant in the not too distant future. They are already dealing with a shortage of priests and now this. How about they deal with pedophile priests first? Am I the only one who thinks that's more important?
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    Closet is right!

    I know a priest who is in his late sixties now. He considered the priesthood as a youn man then fell in love with a woman.
    He was working and going to school when she died in an accident.

    After graduation he entered the seminary. I think he is an amazing man. He was understanding with us as teens. A great listener.

    A colleague who I've only known a few years is about the same age. He is so wondefully honest.
    He openly uses his struggles to convey acceptance of others. He tells of his years as an alcoholic priest too impaired to help others or enjoy life. He believes his struggle to hide his homosexuality contributed to his drinking. Oh, I don't think he could be successful hiding without acting classes.

    I doubt that being celebate is easy for most. How can they truly minister to others if they are dishonest.
    These two are so amazing because although their focus is helping others they are willing to share of themselves.
    Both receive true friendship and respect from some parishoners. Because they have a life they can understand others who are trying to live a good life.

    Just my little observations.

    I don't approve of keeping anyone in a closet.
    The Vatican didn't claim this is the word of God.
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    I don't think the Catholic Church is going away. 62.46% of people in America claim Catholicism. It is 39.59% in Europe.
    http://vatican.mondosearch.com/searc...e+of+catholics

    Also, stats for America and Canada show that 75% consider themselves Christians.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

    Most people believe in a God of some sort. Each of the individual groups has their own set of beliefs. Some less orthodox and some more.

    But God is here to stay.

    Regarding the Catholic Church's interpretation of celebacy for priests, I don't find that interpretation in the bible. However, if you make a choice to belong to a given church with certain interpretations then I think you cannot force your way in and change the basic tenets.

    Find a church that adheres closer to what you believe in. There are 34 thousand different Christian sects to chose from . .. . .surely one of those would match your beliefs.

    For instance, my kids attended an Adventist School all through elementary school. Their curriculum is excellent. The teacher was excellent. It was a small school - 1st to 8th grade and about 15 students. Lots of individual instruction. Lots of great field trips. We did a Chrismas musical every year. I miss it - they closed 3 years ago. But did I subscribe to their belief in "soul sleep"? That after we die, we sleep until Christ comes again? No. Did I subscribe to their belief that there is no Hell? No. But we all prayed together and raised our kids together and I never tried to change their church. We were "guests" so to speak and I chose their school system for it's excellence. But I would never dare to try to change their beliefs. The same would have happened if my kids attended a Catholic School - which if I lived in a bigger city, I would have consider as their schools are excellent also.

    I just don't think it is right to try to change another church's long held tenets.

    Even if I don't agree with them.

    Peace.

    steph
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I agree with Steph. Plenty of churches/houses of worship to choose from, if one does not agree with you. There are many others that may be a better fit for one's personal moral values/beliefs.
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Tweety
    What difference does it make it their celebate?

    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/30/Wo...policy__.shtml
    Tweety - I agree with you that if they are celibate, what does it matter? However, it gets grayer if they are activist celibate homosexuals because then they are teaching something the Catholic Church does not believe in.

    I loved spacenurse's description of the loving men in her church.

    There can be so much good done in the name of God but then humans are fallible and so much ugliness can happen too.

    However, that doesn't mean God doesn't love us. And it shouldn't affect how people view God, although of course it does.

    steph
  8. by   VivaLasViejas
    Quote from stevielynn
    Tweety - I agree with you that if they are celibate, what does it matter? However, it gets grayer if they are activist celibate homosexuals because then they are teaching something the Catholic Church does not believe in.

    I loved spacenurse's description of the loving men in her church.

    There can be so much good done in the name of God but then humans are fallible and so much ugliness can happen too.

    However, that doesn't mean God doesn't love us. And it shouldn't affect how people view God, although of course it does.

    steph
    Well said, Steph.

    It breaks my heart to hear of this ruling, because it only pushes me further away from the church I loved so much as a young Catholic. I agree that I as an individual have no right to try to force a religion that's been around for over 2000 years to change its ways; but it seems to me that compassion and honesty are Christian values, so why would the Church either force people who reflect those values to live a lie in order to become priests, or turn them away from the priesthood entirely........all because they happen to be homosexual?

    What makes even less sense is that apparently you don't even have to be a PRACTICING homosexual---you can be celibate, but if you don't deny who and what you are, you can't become a priest. How sad, especially in this era when there is such a shortage of priests and the Church has taken so much heat for harboring pedophile priests (most of whom were HETEROSEXUAL). But it's another reason why people are leaving traditional Catholicism in favor of churches with more of a social conscience, or like me, striking out on their own and seeking God wherever they can find Him........whether it's in nature, in music, in a cause, or in everyone and everything around them.

  9. by   HappyJaxRN
    When it comes to someone's sexuality, I don't think it's anyone elses business unless they molest children or something to that effect. I don't think it's fair that the government or church has any say in what a person is born with. Most homosexuals are born homosexual. I don't think that anyone's sexuality is relevant to anyone else, unless you're gonna sleep with that person.

    I know everyone has a right to their own opinion. That's just mine.
  10. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from HappyJaxRN
    When it comes to someone's sexuality, I don't think it's anyone elses business unless they molest children or something to that effect. I don't think it's fair that the government or church has any say in what a person is born with. Most homosexuals are born homosexual. I don't think that anyone's sexuality is relevant to anyone else, unless you're gonna sleep with that person.

    I know everyone has a right to their own opinion. That's just mine.
    I disagree with my Church's present position on homosexuality. The matter that needs to be addressed, by my Church, is the maintance of celibacy. The sexual orientation of religious is a matter between them their confessor and God. However, I am not surprised at the orientation of our present Pope.

    Grannynurse
  11. by   Tweety
    Quote from stevielynn
    Tweety - I agree with you that if they are celibate, what does it matter? However, it gets grayer if they are activist celibate homosexuals because then they are teaching something the Catholic Church does not believe in.


    steph

    Are there so many activist celebate homosexual priests now that they had to make this ruling? I honestly don't know.

    I do know there offshoots of the church, such as Dignity, that have many activists priests, but they aren't part of the Holy Roman Church.

    I know there are homosexual priests already, but not sure they are preaching from the pulpit the homoseuxal agenda are they?

    It's a no brainer if someone advocates something against their beliefs that that is dealt with.

    Personally, I would understand a Jewish person joining the Nazi skinheads more than I would a homosexual who wants to be a priest, especially with so many alternatives, but to each his own. But it seems odd that when one renounces all sexuality when one enters the priesthood, that it would be an issue what sexual preference a person had.
    Last edit by Tweety on Nov 30, '05
  12. by   HappyJaxRN
    Quote from Tweety
    Personally, I would understand a Jewish person joining the Nazi skinheads more than I would a homosexual who wants to be a priest, especially with so many alternatives, but to each his own. But it seems odd that when one renounces all sexuality when one enters the priesthood, that it would be an issue what sexual preference a person had.
    Pegged it right on the nose. I agree. Perfectly said.
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Tweety
    But it seems odd that when one renounces all sexuality when one enters the priesthood, that it would be an issue what sexual preference a person had.
    I know - the whole celebate thing doesn't make alot of sense - to force the issue. I understand the verse they get it from that if you don't marry, you do have alot more of yourself to give to God and that makes sense to me . . .. but I thought it was optional.

    I don't see any reason that we can't discuss this issue here - I just don't think I should join the Catholic Church and try to change thousands of years of their doctrine.

    steph
  14. by   Jessy_RN
    I am not Catholic, and do not agree with their decision.

    As a matter of fact, there is a priest a few town over who is fighting with the vatican because he has been practically tortured because he is gay. Yep, a gay priest. The people absolutely love him. The church just doesn't except it and won't even allow him to talk about the religion.

    Hope the Vatican's "rethink" some of their ways or risk a lot.

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