US 'war is fun' general rebuked

  1. Public gaffe

    Caught on tape, he said: "Actually, it's quite a lot of fun to fight; you know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling; it's fun to shoot some people."

    In the context of Afghanistan, he said men who slapped around women for not wearing a veil had no manhood and it was fun to shoot them.

    The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen Mike Hagee, later issued a statement saying he had counselled Gen Mattis on his remarks.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4234751.stm
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  2. 61 Comments

  3. by   Spidey's mom
    Well, obviously those kinds of comments are meant to be private.

    Women have been mistreated in Afghanistan for a long time and that is not a secret. The men who do so think of women as lower than cattle.

    We've discussed being abused by a man on this bb and we've discussed men abusing children on this bb and most have made comments about what we'd like to do to them. Castration has been mentioned by many, among other forms of torture.

    Maybe this is much ado about nothing . .

    steph
  4. by   Fluesy
    [font=Comic Sans MS]"Those comments" were made during a panel discussion, in front of an audience, on television.
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    [font=Comic Sans MS]You could say that they were private musings.
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    [font=Comic Sans MS]Certainly helped relations with the Islamic world:stone
  5. by   fergus51
    The difference is we don't actually go out and do those things. It was innapropriate and I'm sure he'll learn a lesson from this one. I don't believe he meant for those words to be broadcast.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Ah, well guess I should have read the link but I have an annoying pop-up thingamabob on my computer and I hate to mess with it.

    So, not private but still not all that concerning to me.

    Guess I'll go read the link to be sure.

    steph
  7. by   Spidey's mom
    Is there another link that says he was on tv and meant for his remarks to be broadcast?

    Regardless .. . maybe it is kind of like those paramedics whose licence plates say "Trolling for Trauma". Getting a rush from high stakes jobs is of course part of why some people go into those fields. I'm not sure that is less than honorable.

    And I think any man who thinks other men who slap around their women are wrong is a good guy.

    steph
  8. by   fergus51
    OMG, I didn't realize this was in a panel discussion. Ok, well then even if the comments don't disturb you, the fact that he would be goofy enough to say it there should! I think even with my chronic case of foot in mouth disease, I would know better.
  9. by   Roy Fokker
    My Cousin used to say that he loved the Army 'cause "Which other job in the world lets you fire a 120mm smoothbore cannon and blow something up 3 kilometers away?"

    Snipers have a motto - 'Reach out and touch someone'. Ofcourse by touching they mean killing someone.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    All the article says is he was discussing his experiences . . and he was CAUGHT ON TAPE.

    I still think this is a minor thing in a man's whole life experience.

    I've seen a big burly man slapping the sh*t out of a very small woman with a baby on her hip . .. I'd call him a coward and I'd not cry a single tear if the cops had to shoot him.

    There, for public broadcast with my permission.

    steph
  11. by   Roy Fokker
    Caught on tape, he said: "Actually, it's quite a lot of fun to fight; you know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling; it's fun to shoot some people."
    I think that's the quote most people have problems with - not the Afhanistan one...
  12. by   fergus51
    For the record, I don't like women beaters either. I know my brother would beat the crap out of any man that hit me (if I didn't get to him with a bat first). It's the enjoyment aspect that bothers me, or rather the lack of regret for it. We all have those hateful instincts, but being proud of it concerns me. Even though the wife beater is a horrible %*(*^&, he's still a human being and I don't want to be one of those people who happily hates.
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    I think that's the quote most people have problems with - not the Afhanistan one...
    I also think civilians looking in at servicemen who've been in war might be a bit innocent regarding war.

    War is hell. Bad things happen. Some people like a good fight. Still don't think it warrants bashing the man's reputation.

    steph
  14. by   Fluesy
    about 200 people gathered for the discussion, held at the san diego convention center. while many military members laughed at the comments, a military expert interviewed by nbc 7/39 in san diego called the comments "flippant."



    "i was a little surprised," said retired vice adm. edward h. martin. "i don't think any of us who have ever fought in wars liked to kill anybody."



    mattis also discussed operational tactics of the war, calling on military members not to underestimate the capacity of terrorists.



    mattis leads camp pendleton's 1st marine division in iraq. he is in charge of the marine corps combat development and is based in quantico, va.

    http://www.nbc4.tv/politics/4155808/detail.html

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