U.S.-Germany "friendship" in jeopardy

  1. From the 9/24 Los Angeles Times
    Berlin:

    Fresh from the narrowest election victory in Germany's postwar history, Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder moved Monday to start soothing tensions with the U.S.

    Schroeder's re-election was largely propelled by his refusal to commit German troops to a U.S.-led war with Iraq.

    Washington was outraged at defiance from one of its closest
    allies.

    The atmosphere was further spoiled when Justice Minister Herta Duebler was quoted as saying that, like Hitler, Bush is using war rhetoric to distract voters from domestic economic issues.

    Schroeder reiterated that German troops will not participate in ousting Saddam Hussein.

    "We have nothing to change from what we said before the election", Schroeder said Monday.

    The reactions of U.S. officials to Schroeder's victory indicated animosities remain sharp.

    Condoleezza Rice
    commented that the atmosphere between the countries "had been poisoned."

    A senior White House official traveling with the president in New Jersey indicated the president did not call Schroeder to congratulate the chancellor on his re-election.

    Many Germans believe the U.S. is strong-arming the rest of the world toward a swift invasion of Iraq.

    Meanwhile, some of Schroeder's Social Democratic supporters are troubled that the shrill tenor of the debate over Iraq has aroused a once silent anti-Americanism, and may have significantly altered U.S. - German relations.
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    Comparing Bush to Hitler.......wish I coulda been a White House fly on the wall...................LOL

    Could we be the "bad guys?"
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  2. 14 Comments

  3. by   fergus51
    Sad that even the Germans will use anti American rhetoric to hold onto power. I thought that was the type of thing 3rd world dictators rely on.
  4. by   Glad2behere
    German people have always been susceptible to manipulation by mob mentality, they just need a little time to decide which mob is appropriate. Looking back on history, they have had little difficulty finding scapegoats, so I am not surprised.

    However, maybe they doing their best to to not repeat their ancestral inclinations and start the next war.
  5. by   semstr
    here we go again.......German people have always etc. etc.
    Please, don't generalize!!
  6. by   eltrip
    Originally posted by semstr
    here we go again.......German people have always etc. etc.
    Please, don't generalize!!
    Ditto what you said!

    Hey semstr, I have a question. I'm trying to find some German papers online that also have articles printed in English. I've found one (from Frankfurt). Do you know of any others? I'm also attempting to read the articles in German...however, I need to keep my dictionary nearby & try to do this at home in my "spare" time.

    I think that it's important to go to the sources, whenever possible & find out what is being said. Then I start forming conclusions.
  7. by   eltrip
    Originally posted by Glad2behere
    German people have always been susceptible to manipulation by mob mentality, they just need a little time to decide which mob is appropriate. Looking back on history, they have had little difficulty finding scapegoats, so I am not surprised.

    However, maybe they doing their best to to not repeat their ancestral inclinations and start the next war.
    Bear with me on this one.

    Let me preface this by stating that I am an American, born & raised here... 1/2 my family has been here since pre-Revolutionary times. I love my country.

    However, what would you think if you read the following statement?

    American people have always been susceptible to manipulation by mob mentality, they just need a little time to decide which mob is appropriate. Looking back on history, they have had little difficulty finding scapegoats, so I am not surprised.

    However, maybe they doing their best to to not repeat their ancestral inclinations and start the next war.

    We'd all be rather angry, to say the least.

    Not nice, nor fair to say this of any group.

    Back to my web search for German newspapers.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    all of us susceptible to mob mentality. it is part of being human and it takes a concerted effort to avoid this. sheesh.
  9. by   Glad2behere
    Well, I am sorry if a blew up a few petticoats. I really am.

    Take it back...75% of it anyway...the other 25% stays intact because I am uh..my grandmother was full German.


    Politically correct enough?
  10. by   prn nurse
    And at least it's a mob, not just a lone cowboy from Texas.

    And when Iraq has 20 Hussein missiles aimed in your general direction and capable of striking,
    kinda puts a different slant on it.

    I'd be hesitant to P*ss him off too.

    What's he got to lose ....once the bombs start crashing?



    (His missiles won't reach the U.S. They are 400-600 milers.)
  11. by   eltrip
    Originally posted by Glad2behere
    Well, I am sorry if a blew up a few petticoats. I really am.

    Take it back...75% of it anyway...the other 25% stays intact because I am uh..my grandmother was full German.


    Politically correct enough?
    Hey, bud, political correctness wasn't & isn't my aim. Fairness is. As a matter of fact, I'm a good 25% German myself. I'm also 50% Jewish. I could easily agree with you. However, I didn't think it to be a fair statement...and it isn't

    No petticoats here for you to blow. Now don't go getting your own knickers in a wad.
  12. by   fergus51
    Renee,
    I didn't intend to imply all Germans, more like all politicians!
  13. by   Glad2behere
    Ok Eltrip,

    I hereby prostrate myself in full public contrition. I shall impose upon myself to do acts and thoughts that will irrefuteably redeem
    myself from this asinine position that I have so thoughtllessly immersed myself.......Howzzat?...See, I can reform. Just a little prodding by a mob is all it takes to convince me.(tisk)


    Prn nurse,

    I haven't thought about it that way, the proximity of Saddam's missiles. Yes, I must admit, I would hold my cards close to my chest too. Geez, ain't them German folk smart??!!!


    This just isn't my day!!
  14. by   semstr
    Shalom Eltrip,

    I don't know about the newspapers, I am pretty sure, the Dutch and scandinavian ones have features in English. Try a google search on them, see what you can get. www.telegraaf.nl www.volkskrant.nl www.presse.at just a few I know about.

    Another try is maybe thebig national- tv-channels, ARD, ZDF from Germany, ORF from Austria and NOS from the Netherlands.

    Fergus, I know you didn't mean it like that, it wasn't your statement, but Gld2behere's. But he/ she just isn't having his/ her day, and we all know that can happen, don't we?
    Take care, Renee

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