Thought provoking email

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    A friend of mine sent me this email and I found it to be thought provoking. Please note that this is not meant to offend anyone.


    "Finally, The Truth on National TV

    Billy Graham's daughter was being interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" And Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe that God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman that He is, I believe that He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand that He leave us alone?"

    I know there's been a lot of an email going around in regards to 9/11/01, but this really makes you think. If you don't have time, at least skim through it, but the bottom line is something to think about....

    In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body was found recently) complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

    Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible that says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said, OK.

    Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide) and we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we said OK.

    Then, someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (There's big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said, OK.

    Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, OK.

    Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, OK.

    Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

    And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said, OK.

    And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK; they're entitled to their free speech.

    And then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

    Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.

    I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

    "Dear God, Why didn't you save the little girl killed in her classroom? " Sincerely, Concerned Student... AND THE REPLY "Dear Concerned Student, I am not allowed in schools". Sincerely, God.

    Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

    Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says.

    Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan who, by the way, also "believes" in God.

    Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged.

    Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

    Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

    Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. "
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  3. by   Furball
    I disagree with above statements. God did not let us down, man did. It sounds as though you are blaming the victims instead of blaming the terrorists. Does God really behave as a child on a school playground who gets shoved out of the games? I hope not.....

    just my very humble opinion.



    The "big bang" was God snapping his fingers
  4. by   nur20
  5. by   fiestynurse
    The problem I have with this essarge, is that not everyone reads the bible and is a Christian. We are a country of many faiths and beliefs. And since when did we say o.k. to child pornography? It is illegal and not protected by the first amendment.
  6. by   fergus51
    I'm with furball. Free will means individuals have to accept responsibility for what they do. I personally do not want bibles and prayers in schools and am in favor of condoms and even abortions being provided to people. I also watch crappy tv and could care less if the pres and Monica had a fling though child pornography is illegal here and I don't like smut magazines. It may make me immoral in some people's views, but I don't blow up buildings. I think it was a very well written email though. I respect the views of people who believe a return to a more Christian state would bring about a better society, I just don't think that's the only way to have morality.
  7. by   Furball
    Personally, I don't think this society is degrading, it's evolving and experiencing growing pains. Do you really think things were better in the 50's? Back when sex was dirty, birth control difficult to obtain. I don't think so. Blacks were trashed, women were quite limited in their life choices. Different cultures were feared or looked down upon. I vividly remember the riots when bussing was a big issue. America is far from perfect but I think this country has improved. 9/11 revealed just how great this nation really is.

    PS Who says you can't pray in school? Are there principals expelling children for praying somewhere? I disagree with organized religion in schools but fully embrace an individuals freedom to pray whenever they want to. Especially before trig tests.
  8. by   canoehead
    Using the Christian God to the point whre Christianilty smothers out all other beliefs and religions is what I oppose.

    I also think that regarding abortion , free speech, and most anything else that laws should not prohibit anything, as we should not be making personal choices per government say so, but that children, and adults need to conciously think about and talk about what they hear and see, so they become responsible for their own decisions and opinions.

    The worst part of Christianity, as I see it, is the tendency to make decisions based on the Bible, or church teachings, but not to go through the decision making process, and evaluate right and wrong in your own mind. People avoid thinking and considering the arguments and opinions of others, they avoid expanding their own knowledge- they don't necessarily have to agree, just understand both sides.

    Understanding both sides might help us in our current conflict.
  9. by   majic65
    Tho I am not a christian, I have always had the deepest respect and admiration for Billy Graham (as I do anyone who takes their spiritual path serously, but is able and willing to speak with others about theirs) NO MORE!! Franklin Graham, and now his sister, have put the Graham name to shame. So this is the Christian point of view--blame the victim? And Franklin--"Islam is an evil religion, everyone in it is evil"? Wow--what a truly intellectual, well-thought opinion!
    To "blame" the attacks on banning Christain prayer in PUBLIC shcools would be ludicrous if so many people did not believe it.
    And this is a reigion that wants the rest of the world to leave everything and join it?

    I have Christian friends who are embarrassed, saddened, and angry about the statesments made by the Grahams--people like them, and Jerry Falwell and his crowd, get all the publicity. But my friends seem to be in the minority--indeed, we are assaulted daily by the Christian "right"--who with only a few words, can manage to insult 90% of the world.

    Billy Graham MUST be in very poor health to not protest this stupidity--and if he is, this will kill him.
  10. by   micro
    I have always respected anything that Billy Graham had to say, and being raised in different belief system than He was, feel justified to say so, as it was from the knee of my Granddad.

    What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong!!!!

    But to go to a RELIGIOUS right or wrong, not the time for that.

    Maybe, I am being IDEAL, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE GOLDEN RULE: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!-------seems that if we all listened that problems would be solved, doesn't it. or am I being too idealistic!!!!!
  11. by   donmurray
    To follow on, whilst we condemn the Taliban for their treatment of women, in 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention urged wives to "submit graciously to the servant leadership of their husbands"
    In the 2000 election, both candidates claimed to be evangelical protestants who had "found Jesus". Al Gore's running mate even claimed that non-believers could not be good citizens. George Bush Senior asserted that "on the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth" This is 78 years after Woodrow Wilson, when asked his views on evolution, replied that "Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education, I do believe in organic evolution.It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be asked."
    It is frightening to see this fundamentalist drift which America has made from the enlightened humanism of the American founders
  12. by   Sundowner
    Anne Graham's statements were very far from being insightful and or profound......they were irresponsible, crude and destructive.

    I believe that on occasion, you do reap what you sow, but to put the blame on a childs death to a parents sincere attempts to better the lives of children, or to blame a childs death on prayer not being allowed in school.....barbaric.

    It has always been my opinion that highly organized religions tend to twist (sometimes in a very sick manner) the going on's in the world to push their methods of thinking down others throats saying "see.. we were right...ya better pay attention to what we believe and say".

    I have never stepped foot into church, other than the occasional wedding or two, but I believe in God and I believe in miracles and I believe in honesty careing and loving fellow man despite our differences.

    How did I learn this? I was raised well. I don't feel the need for organized religion in my life, I don't feel the need to go to church. I can pray whenever I want and I don't need to be preached to. I have no qualms with organized religions, I just cant stand when this sort of irresponsible attempt to try and suck the world into following a set of beliefs occurs. It borders on brainwashing, an acceptable form of Jamestown if you will. I do not need the existance of God to be proven to me in this way, what makes me irrate is the fact that these religious leaders attempt to speak for God, relay what God is thinking and feeling and doing. It is God's will when it suits their purposes.

    I know, I probably sound very extreme, I do get rather heated when one of these jerks spits off at the mouth.

    Okay, I am ready to be dissagreed with!
  13. by   fiestynurse
    I agree with you Sundowner!! Right on!!
  14. by   betts
    I for one believe in GOD but as my husband pointed out; "Too Each their Own." He likes too Quote a lot and replied to this thread: " Nothing is closed too a open mind", and suggests this site> www.truthbeknown.com

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