The Golden Compass - Controversy

  1. Y'all know who and what I am by my signature, I'm a Christian. Just wanted to give a heads up and I do request NO FLAMING. Mods will definitely close this thread if it amounts to that. But I just want parents to be aware that this movie is coming out today, and it may not be a great idea for you to take your kids to see it.

    The author of the original trilogy upon which the movie is based admits that his books are about "killing God". This particular movie does not stress that but if the movie is a success, surely kids will want to read the trilogy, and movies based on the other books are predicted.

    from:

    http://www.familylifeculturewatch.co...ntroversy.html

    "[Pullman's] characters, as they make their way through the world, end up waging a second war in heaven. And Pullman portrays them killing God, who turns out to be just a supernatural imposter who's feeble and cruel and senile. He [Pullman] has determined to draw young readers into this world, and try and show them a world in which ... Christianity ... is a tyrannical institution, and God is a tyrant. And all the church, which he calls the Magisterium, wants to do is control them. And as a result, God is overthrown in the end, and you have a restaging of the Garden of Eden at the climax where eating the apple as an act of defiance against God, is the triumphant conclusion."



    Now if any disagree w/ me, that this film is not a great thing for our kids to see, that's fine - but I did want to encourage people to research the author, Phillip Pullman, and his books from the Golden Compass series, especially the last book, "The Amber Spyglass".

    An interview with Pullman is at:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...st/1785121.stm

    Please do use caution. This is no "Narnia".
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  2. 54 Comments

  3. by   jnette
    Would have to do a bit more research on it, Zoe.
    I've heard the pros and cons on it, and the brewing controversy.

    No surprises for me anymore.. ppl have been trying to "kill God" for alltime. Satan tried, failed, and now focuses on God's children instead. Nothing has changed in eons.

    But I do agree we have to use wisdom in what we allow young minds to be exposed to. Very vulnerable young minds.

    But I can't judge this movie one way or another in fairness as I have not done my own research yet.
    Last edit by jnette on Dec 7, '07
  4. by   Liddle Noodnik
    Quote from jnette
    But I can't judge this movie one way or another in fairness as I have not done my own research yet.
    Absolutely - and I hope people will do it before they go!

    It looks fascinating on TV - I would just make sure people know what they are potentially getting into, ya know? I mean, every film/TV show etc has its negatives. But it sounds like this one may need a bit more consideration than usual.

    The good news though: God wins, regardless of any movie, book, or person.
  5. by   Joe NightingMale
    I've heard about Pullman's controversial views, and it doesn't encourage me to see the movie.

    Moreover, I read The Golden Compass years ago and found it imaginative...but quite dry.; it rarely stirred the emotions at all. Not that it isn't a common problem with young adult fiction, but it's something else to consider when deciding whether or not to see this movie.
  6. by   rn/writer
    I haven't read the book or seen the movie. I did see a commentary today that said the the movie version has a far different tone from the book. The danger then would lie in the fact that parents may buy the book for their kids, believing that they know its content, and be unaware that there is a substantial contrast between the two. Kind of a bait-and-switch technique that may not be evident until damage is done.

    It's one thing for a book to raise questions for families to discuss. It's another altogether to be tricked into giving your child something (with your implied blessing) that runs counter to the message you think you are giving them.

    Once again, I can coexist quite peacefully with those who simply don't believe in God. They are atheists. The ones who don't want anyone to believe in God, who go out of their way to disrespect and denigrate any expression of belief, who are hell-bent (literally) on destroying believers and the objects of their worship are most emphatically not atheists--they are ANTI-theists, and there is a huge difference.

    I would not want to be in the shoes of anyone who professes to want to "kill God."

    And I would caution people who are considering giving this book as a gift to read it first.
  7. by   Liddle Noodnik
    Thanks guys.

    I like the idea of reading a book before giving it - esp to a child - once I gave a child what seemed to be about a Christmas cat - and it was a murder mystery! Not cool by the Mom that's for sure...
  8. by   live4today
    Quote from zoeboboey
    Absolutely - and I hope people will do it before they go!

    It looks fascinating on TV - I would just make sure people know what they are potentially getting into, ya know? I mean, every film/TV show etc has its negatives. But it sounds like this one may need a bit more consideration than usual.

    The good news though: God wins, regardless of any movie, book, or person.
    Hi Zoe.....Thanks for bringing this movie to so many parents attention. There are many people in the world who will stop at nothing to "get rich" and gain notoriaty...even at the expense of the most precious minds in the world.....children themselves.

    You are one hundred percent right about "God wins, regardless of any movie, book, or person." Right on, right on, right on! Actually, He has already won...He never lost...He chose to temporarily lay down His life as a Sacrificial Lamb so that we might be saved, and have everlasting life with our Creator, Almighty God. There is NONE greater than HE!
  9. by   ElvishDNP
    I've been discussing this movie with some friends of mine - we are all a little different in our political leanings but we are all Christians. We are all hesitant at best to see this movie. I know I won't. Quite the firestorm it has stirred up.

    But I like the way you guys have put it - either way, God wins!!
  10. by   UM Review RN
    After hearing about it, I'm not interested in seeing it either.

    There will always be books, movies, and media that challenge and attempts to subvert the Christian lifestyle; some regard it as a test of faith, some see it as a symptom of the End Times.

    I'm glad for the warning. I prefer to waste my emotions on fluff, not controversy, for entertainment.
  11. by   Alois Wolf
    I don't think it really matters or not if you children read the book or not... or go to to see the movie or not... all that matters is how the understand it and take it in and whether or not they let it affect their opinions. I'm not falming and I totaly agree that as parents you have the right to not bring your child to go see a movie... I just don't think we should judge the book or movie in itself... but more of what it may or may not represent and your (or your childrens) albility to not be swayed.

    Again, this is just my humble opinion and I am in no way trying to force my views on anyone else... but I have always been a firm believer in constantly questioning any dogma or any institution... not that I don't have faith, because I do... but I feel that you should always see what else the world has to "offer" and see how it applies to your own faith.... I dunno... just because your exposed to a different viewpoint doesn't mean that you have to mold to that viewpoint.

    I'm not that familliar with the book or movie, but if it is "killing-God"... it wouldn't be the first time that any type of media hasn't done so in one way or another... and no one has said about those
    I personally think that it sounds like a VERY interesting book and might just pick it upbecause of the controversy.

    Actually when you think about it... read or watch it with your kids then talk about how it applies to your faith. That would bring a VERY good conversation about what your faith is all about, no?

    Again, I hope I've been respectful and not caused to much of a schism.
  12. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from Alois Wolf
    I don't think it really matters or not if you children read the book or not... or go to to see the movie or not... all that matters is how the understand it and take it in and whether or not they let it affect their opinions. I'm not falming and I totaly agree that as parents you have the right to not bring your child to go see a movie... I just don't think we should judge the book or movie in itself... but more of what it may or may not represent and your (or your childrens) albility to not be swayed.

    Again, this is just my humble opinion and I am in no way trying to force my views on anyone else... but I have always been a firm believer in constantly questioning any dogma or any institution... not that I don't have faith, because I do... but I feel that you should always see what else the world has to "offer" and see how it applies to your own faith.... I dunno... just because your exposed to a different viewpoint doesn't mean that you have to mold to that viewpoint.

    I'm not that familliar with the book or movie, but if it is "killing-God"... it wouldn't be the first time that any type of media hasn't done so in one way or another... and no one has said about those
    I personally think that it sounds like a VERY interesting book and might just pick it upbecause of the controversy.

    Actually when you think about it... read or watch it with your kids then talk about how it applies to your faith. That would bring a VERY good conversation about what your faith is all about, no?

    Again, I hope I've been respectful and not caused to much of a schism.

    Actually, that's pretty much what happened when DS and I read & watched The DaVinci Code. I could only watch part of the movie; it was toooo boring. JMO.
  13. by   Alois Wolf
    Now the DaVinci Code I did read and found it very entertaining... but that's as far is it goes. I took that book with a VERY large grain of salt.

    Though there is evidence that does lead one to believe that the relationship between Mary M. and Jesus may have been/is misunderstood... but that's neither here nor there as in regards to the current topic at hand.
  14. by   ElvishDNP
    The Da Vinci Code was a work of fiction and was never intended to be anything but.

    I'm guessing the Golden Compass is too. I don't know.

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