The Facts about Kerry

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  3. by   julieftRN
    flip flopped on trade with china

    in 1991, kerry supported most-favored trade status for china. "sen. john kerry said yesterday that he is breaking party ranks to support most-favored-nation trade status for china ... 'i think the president has some strong arguments about some of the assets of most-favored-nation status for china,' kerry said." (john aloysius farrell, "kerry breaks party ranks to back china trade status," the boston globe, 6/15/91)

    in 2000, kerry voted in favor of permanent normal trade relations with china. (h.r. 4444, cq vote #251: passed 83-15: r 46-8; d 37-7, 9/19/00, kerry voted yea)

    now kerry criticizes the bush administration for trading with china. "democratic presidential candidate john kerry said on monday americans workers were paying the price for president bush's weak stance on trade with china and other countries. ... on the bus tour, kerry singled out the bush administration's handling of trade with china and said that country was manipulating its currency." (caren bohan, "kerry pledges aggressive trade stance," reuters, 4/26/04)

    flip-flopped on iraq war

    kerry voted for authorization to use force in iraq. (h.j. res. 114, cq vote #237: passed 77-23: r 48-1; d 29-21; i 0-1, 10/11/02, kerry voted yea.)

    in first dem debate, kerry strongly supported president's action in iraq. kerry: "george, i said at the time i would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but i think it was the right decision to disarm saddam hussein, and when the president made the decision, i supported him, and i support the fact that we did disarm him." (abc news, democrat presidential candidate debate, columbia, sc, 5/4/03)

    kerry later claimed he voted "to threaten" use of force in iraq. "i voted to threaten the use of force to make saddam hussein comply with the resolutions of the united nations." (sen. john kerry, remarks at announcement of presidential candidacy, mount pleasant, sc, 9/2/03)

    now, kerry says he is anti-war candidate. chris matthews: "do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it's been fought, along with general clark, along with howard dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like lieberman, edwards and gephardt? are you one of the anti-war candidates?" kerry: "i am -- yes, in the sense that i don't believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely." (msnbc's "hardball," 1/6/04)

    flip-flopped on eliminating marriage penalty for middle class

    kerry said he will fight to keep tax relief for married couples. "howard dean and gephardt are going to put the marriage penalty back in place. so if you get married in america, we're going to charge you more taxes. i do not want to do that." (fox news' "special report," 10/23/03)

    said democrats fought to end marriage penalty tax. "we fought hard to get rid of the marriage penalty." (msnbc's "news live," 7/31/03)

    but, in 1998, kerry voted against eliminating marriage penalty relief for married taxpayers with combined incomes less than $50,000 per year, saving taxpayers $46 billion over 10 years. (s. 1415, cq vote #154: rejected 48-50: r 5-49; d 43-1, 6/10/98, kerry voted yea)

    flip-flopped on patriot act

    kerry voted for patriot act. the patriot act was passed nearly unanimously by the senate 98-1, and 357-66 in the house. (h.r. 3162, cq vote #313: passed 98-1: r 49-0; d 48-1; i 1-0, 10/25/01, kerry voted yea)

    kerry used to defend his vote. "most of [the patriot act] has to do with improving the transfer of information between cia and fbi, and it has to do with things that really were quite necessary in the wake of what happened on september 11th." (sen. john kerry, remarks at town hall meeting, manchester, nh, 8/6/03)

    now, kerry attacks patriot act. "we are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. so it is time to end the era of john ashcroft. that starts with replacing the patriot act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time. i've been a district attorney and i know that what law enforcement needs are real tools not restrictions on american's basic rights." (sen. john kerry, remarks at iowa state university, 12/1/03)
  4. by   julieftRN
    kerry took both sides on first gulf war

    kerry took both sides in first gulf war in separate letters to same constituent.
    "rather than take a side--albeit the one he thought was most expedient--kerry actually stood on both sides of the first gulf war, much like he did this time around. consider this 'notebook' item from tnr's march 25, 1991 issue, which ran under the headline 'same senator, same constituent': 'thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the us against iraq. i share your concerns. on january 11, i voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war.' --letter from senator john kerry to wallace carter of newton centre, massachusetts, dated january 22 [1991] 'thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of president bush in response to the iraqi invasion of kuwait. from the outset of the invasion, i have strongly and unequivocally supported president bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the persian gulf.' --senator kerry to wallace carter, january 31 [1991]" (noam scheiber, "noam scheiber's daily journal of politics, the new republic online, 1/28/04)

    flip-flopped on gay marriage amendment

    in 2002, kerry signed letter "urging" ma legislature to reject constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. "we rarely comment on issues that are wholly within the jurisdiction of the general court, but there are occasions when matters pending before you are of such significance to all residents of the commonwealth that we think it appropriate for us to express our opinion. one such matter is the proposed constitutional amendment that would prohibit or seriously inhibit any legal recognition whatsoever of same-sex relationships. we believe it would be a grave error for massachusetts to enshrine in our constitution a provision which would have such a negative effect on so many of our fellow residents. ... we are therefore united in urging you to reject this constitutional amendment and avoid stigmatizing so many of our fellow citizens who do not deserve to be treated in such a manner." (sen. john kerry, et al, letter to members of the massachusetts legislature, 7/12/02)

    now, in 2004, kerry won't rule out supporting similar amendment. "asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, kerry didn't rule out the possibility. 'i'll have to see what language there is,' he said." (susan milligan, "kerry says gop may target him on 'wedge issue,'" the boston globe, 2/6/04)

    flip-flopped on attacking president during time of war

    in march 2003, kerry promised not to attack president when war began. "senator john f. kerry of massachusetts ... said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. 'it's what you owe the troops,' said a statement from kerry, a navy veteran of the vietnam war. 'i remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. if america is at war, i won't speak a word without measuring how it'll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they're listening to their radios in the desert.'" (glen johnson, "democrats on the stump plot their war rhetoric," the boston globe, 3/11/03)

    but weeks later, with troops just miles from baghdad, kerry broke his pledge. "'what we need now is not just a regime change in saddam hussein and iraq, but we need a regime change in the united states,' kerry said in a speech at the peterborough town library. despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as us troops fought within 25 miles of baghdad." (glen johnson, "kerry says us needs its own 'regime change,'" the boston globe, 4/3/03)

    flip-flopped on death penalty for terrorists

    in 1996, kerry attacked governor bill weld for supporting death penalty for terrorists. kerry: "your policy would amount to a terrorist protection policy. mine would put them in jail." (1996 massachusetts senate debate, 9/16/96)

    in 1996, kerry said, "you can change your mind on things, but not on life-and-death issues." (timothy j. connolly, "the 'snoozer' had some life," [worcester, ma] telegram & gazette, 7/3/96)

    but, in 2002, kerry said he supported death penalty for terrorists. kerry: "the law of the land is the law of the land, but i have also said that i am for the death penalty for terrorists because terrorists have declared war on your country." (nbc's "meet the press," 12/1/02)

    flip-flopped on no child left behind

    kerry voted for no child left behind act. (h.r. 1, cq vote #371: adopted 87-10: r 44-3; d 43-6; i 0-1, 12/18/01, kerry voted yea)

    but now kerry is attacking no child left behind as "mockery." "between now and the time i'm sworn in january 2005, i'm going to use every day to make this president accountable for making a mockery of the words 'no child left behind.'" (holly ramer, "kerry wants to make 'environmental justice' a priority," the associated press, 4/22/03)

    kerry trashed nclb as 'unfunded mandate' with 'laudable' goals. "kerry referred to [no child left behind] as an 'unfunded mandate' with 'laudable' goals. 'without the resources, education reform is a sham,' kerry said. 'i can't wait to crisscross this country and hold this president accountable for making a mockery of the words "no child left behind."'" (matt leon, "sen. kerry in tune with educators," the [quincy, ma] patriot ledger, 7/11/03)
  5. by   julieftRN
    flip-flopped on affirmative action

    in 1992, kerry called affirmative action "inherently limited and divisive."
    "[w]hile praising affirmative action as 'one kind of progress' that grew out of civil rights court battles, kerry said the focus on a rights-based agenda has 'inadvertently driven most of our focus in this country not to the issue of what is happening to the kids who do not get touched by affirmative action, but ... toward an inherently limited and divisive program which is called affirmative action.' that agenda is limited, he said, because it benefits segments of black and minority populations, but not all. and it is divisive because it creates a 'perception and a reality of reverse discrimination that has actually engendered racism.'" (lynne duke, "senators seek serious dialogue on race," the washington post, 4/8/92)

    in 2004, kerry denied ever having called affirmative action "divisive." cnn's kelly wallace: "we caught up with the senator, who said he never called affirmative action divisive, and accused clark of playing politics." sen. kerry: "that's not what i said. i said there are people who believe that. and i said mend it, don't end it. he's trying to change what i said, but you can go read the quote. i said very clearly i have always voted for it. i've always supported it. i've never, ever condemned it. i did what jim clyburn did and what bill clinton did, which is mend it. and jim clyburn wouldn't be supporting it if it were otherwise. so let's not have any politics here. let's keep the truth." (cnn's "inside politics," 1/30/04)

    flip-flopped on ethanol

    kerry twice voted against tax breaks for ethanol. (s. con. res. 18, cq vote #44: rejected 48-52: r 11-32; d 37-20, 3/23/93, kerry voted nay; s. con. res. 18, cq vote #68: motion agreed to 55-43: r 2-40; d 53-3, 3/24/93, kerry voted yea)

    kerry voted against ethanol mandates. (h.r. 4624, cq vote #255: motion agreed to 51-50: r 19-25; d 31-25, 8/3/94, kerry voted nay)

    kerry voted twice to increase liability on ethanol, making it equal to regular gasoline. (s. 517, cq vote #87: motion agreed to 57-42: r 38-10; d 18-32; i 1-0, 4/25/02 kerry voted nay; s. 14, cq vote #208: rejected 38-57: r 9-40; d 28-17; i 1-0, 6/5/03, kerry voted yea)

    on the campaign trail, though, kerry is for ethanol. kerry: "i'm for ethanol, and i think it's a very important partial ingredient of the overall mix of alternative and renewable fuels we ought to commit to." (msnbc/dnc, democrat presidential candidate debate, des moines, ia, 11/24/03)

    flip-flopped on cuba sanctions

    senator kerry has long voted against stronger cuba sanctions. (h.r. 927, cq vote #489, motion rejected 59-36: r 50-2; d 9-34, 10/17/95, kerry voted nay; s. 955, cq vote #183: rejected 38-61: r 5-49; d 33-12, 7/17/97, kerry voted yea; s. 1234, cq vote #189, motion agreed to 55-43: r 43-10; d 12-33, 6/30/99, kerry voted nay; s. 2549, cq vote #137: motion agreed to 59-41: r 52-3; d 7-38, 6/20/00, kerry voted nay)

    in 2000, kerry said florida politics is only reason cuba sanctions still in place. "senator john f. kerry, the massachusetts democrat and member of the foreign relations committee, said in an interview that a reevaluation of relations with cuba was 'way overdue.' 'we have a frozen, stalemated, counterproductive policy that is not in humanitarian interests nor in our larger credibility interest in the region,' kerry said. ... 'it speaks volumes about the problems in the current american electoral process. ... the only reason we don't reevaluate the policy is the politics of florida.'" (john donnelly, "policy review likely on cuba," the boston globe, 4/9/00)

    now kerry panders to cuban vote, saying he would not lift embargo against cuba. tim russert: "would you consider lifting sanctions, lifting the embargo against cuba?" sen. kerry: "not unilaterally, not now, no." (nbc's "meet the press," 8/31/03)

    kerry does not support "opening up the embargo wily nilly." "kerry said he believes in 'engagement' with the communist island nation but that does not mean, 'open up the dialogue.' he believes it 'means travel and perhaps even remittances or cultural exchanges' but he does not support 'opening up the embargo wily nilly.'" (daniel a. ricker, "kerry says bush did not build a 'legitimate coalition' in iraq," the miami herald, 11/25/03)

    flip-flopped on nafta

    kerry voted for nafta. (h.r. 3450, cq vote #395: passed 61-38: r 34-10; d 27-28, 11/20/93, kerry voted yea)

    kerry recognized nafta is our future. "'nafta recognizes the reality of today's economy - globalization and technology,' kerry said. 'our future is not in competing at the low-level wage job; it is in creating high-wage, new technology jobs based on our skills and our productivity.'" (john aloysius farrell, "senate's ok finalizes nafta pact," the boston globe, 11/21/93)

    now, kerry expresses doubt about nafta. "kerry, who voted for nafta in 1993, expressed some doubt about the strength of free-trade agreements. 'if it were before me today, i would vote against it because it doesn't have environmental or labor standards in it,' he said." (david lightman, "democrats battle for labor's backing," hartford courant, 8/6/03)

    flip-flopped on double taxation of dividends

    december 2002: kerry favored ending double taxation of dividends. "[t]o encourage investments in the jobs of the future - i think we should eliminate the tax on capital gains for investments in critical technology companies - zero capital gains on $100 million issuance of stock if it's held for 5 years and has created real jobs. and we should attempt to end the double taxation of dividends." (sen. john kerry, remarks at the city club of cleveland, 12/3/02)

    may 2003: kerry said he opposed ending double taxation of dividends. "kerry also reiterated his opposition to the republican plan to cut taxes on stock dividends. 'this is not the time for a dividends tax cut that goes to individuals,' he said." ("kerry says time is on dems' side," the associated press, 5/8/03)

    flip-flopped on raising taxes during economic downturn

    september 2001: said should not raise taxes in economic downturn. "the first priority is the economy of our nation. and when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. we shouldn't do either. we need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy. . . . no, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. . . .[y]ou don't want to raise taxes." (nbc's "meet the press," 9/2/01)
    • we should "absolutely not raise taxes." "well, i think it's very clear what i favor because we voted for it early in the spring, which was the democratic budget alternative that had triggers in it where you didn't wind up spending money you don't have. it had a smaller tax cut but more tax cut for a stimulus, which is what we need. so you ask me, what do we need now? yes, we need additional stimulus. we should absolutely not raise taxes. we should not cut spending. what we need to do is drive the economy of this country. the economy is the number one issue. it is the most important thing we should focus on." (cnn's "evans, novak, hunt & shields," 9/8/01)
    • april 2002: said he wanted larger tax cut and was "not in favor of" repeal. cnn's tucker carlson: "senator kerry . . . [many democrats] [g]et a lot of political mileage out of criticizing [president bush's tax cut], but nobody has the courage to say repeal it. are you for repealing it?" kerry: "it's not a question of courage. . . . and it's not an issue right now. we passed appropriately a tax cut as a stimulus, some $40 billion. many of us thought it should have even maybe been a little bit larger this last year ... [t]he next tax cut doesn't take effect until 2004. if we can grow the economy enough between now and then, if we have sensible policies in place and make good choices, who knows what our choices will be. so it's simply not a ripe issue right now. and i'm not in favor of turning around today and repealing it." (cnn's "crossfire," 4/16/02)

      december 2002: flip-flopped, would keep tax cuts from taking effect. nbc's tim russert: "senator . . . should we freeze or roll back the bush tax cut?" kerry: "well, i wouldn't take away from people who've already been given their tax cut ... what i would not do is give any new bush tax cuts." ... russert: "so the tax cut that's scheduled to be implemented in the coming years ..." kerry: "no new tax cut under the bush plan. . . . it doesn't make economic sense." ... russert: "now, this is a change ..." (nbc's "meet the press," 12/1/02)
    • called for freeze of bush tax cuts in favor of year-long suspension of payroll taxes on first $10,000 of personal income. "kerry said bush's tax cuts have mainly benefited the rich while doing little for the economy. kerry is proposing to halt bush's additional tax cuts and instead impose a yearlong suspension of payroll taxes on the first $10,000 of income to help the poor and middle class." (tyler bridges, "kerry visits miami to start raising funds," the miami herald, 12/7/02)
  6. by   julieftRN
    kerry voted against exempting small businesses and family farms from clinton income tax increase. (s. con. res. 18, cq vote #79: motion agreed to 54-45: r 0-43; d 54-2, 3/25/93, kerry voted yea)

    three months later, kerry voted in favor of proposal to exclude small businesses from the increased income tax. (s. 1134, cq vote #171: motion rejected 56-42: r 43-0; d 13-42, 6/24/93, kerry voted yea)

    kerry claimed he fought to exempt small businesses from income tax increases. "i worked to amend the reconciliation bill so that it would ... exempt small businesses who are classified as subchapter s corporations from the increased individual income tax." (sen. john kerry, congressional record, 6/29/93, p. s 8268)

    kerry flip-flopped on 50-cent gas tax increase

    in 1994, kerry backed half-dollar increase in gas tax. "kerry said [the concord coalition's scorecard] did not accurately reflect individual lawmakers' efforts to cut the deficit. 'it doesn't reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax,' kerry said." (jill zuckman, "deficit-watch group gives high marks to 7 n.e. lawmakers," the boston globe, 3/1/94)

    two years later, kerry flip-flopped. "kerry no longer supports the 50-cent [gas tax] hike, nor the 25-cent hike proposed by the [concord] coalition." (michael grunwald, "kerry gets low mark on budgeting," the boston globe, 4/30/96)

    flip-flopped on leaving abortion up to states

    kerry used to say abortion should be left up to states. "i think the question of abortion is one that should be left for the states to decide," kerry said during his failed 1972 congressional bid. ("john kerry on the issues," the [lowell, ma] sun, 10/11/72)

    now kerry says abortion is law of entire nation. "the right to choose is the law of the united states. no person has the right to infringe on that freedom. those of us who are in government have a special responsibility to see to it that the united states continues to protect this right, as it must protect all rights secured by the constitution." (sen. john kerry [d-ma], congressional record, 1/22/85)

    flip-flopped on litmus tests for judicial nominees

    kerry used to oppose litmus tests for judicial nominees. "throughout two centuries, our federal judiciary has been a model institution, one which has insisted on the highest standards of conduct by our public servants and officials, and which has survived with undiminished respect. today, i fear that this institution is threatened in a way that we have not seen before. ... this threat is that of the appointment of a judiciary which is not independent, but narrowly ideological, through the systematic targeting of any judicial nominee who does not meet the rigid requirements of litmus tests imposed ..." (sen. john kerry, congressional record, 2/3/86, p. s864)

    but now kerry says he would only support supreme court nominees who pledge to uphold roe v. wade. "the potential retirement of supreme court justices makes the 2004 presidential election especially important for women, senator john f. kerry told a group of female democrats yesterday, and he pledged that if elected president he would nominate to the high court only supporters of abortion rights under its roe v. wade decision. ... 'any president ought to appoint people to the supreme court who understand the constitution and its interpretation by the supreme court. in my judgment, it is and has been settled law that women, americans, have a defined right of privacy and that the government does not make the decision with respect to choice. individuals do.'" (glen johnson, "kerry vows court picks to be abortion-rights supporters," the boston globe, 4/9/03)
  7. by   julieftRN
    flip-flopped on health coverage

    in 1994, kerry said democrats push health care too much.
    "[kerry] said kennedy and clinton's insistence on pushing health care reform was a major cause of the democratic party's problems at the polls." (joe battenfeld, "jenny craig hit with sex harassment complaint - by men," boston herald, 11/30/94)

    but now kerry calls health care his "passion." "sen. john kerry says expanding coverage is 'my passion.'" (susan page, "health specifics could backfire on candidates," usa today, 6/2/03)

    flip-flopped on welfare reform

    in 1993, kerry voted to kill bipartisan welfare work requirement. in 1993, kerry and kennedy voted against a welfare-to-work requirement that was supported by many democrats, including sens. dianne feinstein (d-ca) and harry reid (d-nv):
    • fiscal 1993 supplemental appropriations - welfare work requirement. "moynihan, d-n.y., motion to table (kill) the d'amato, r-n.y., amendment to sharply cut federal welfare administration aid to states that do not, within a year, require at least 10 percent of their able-bodied welfare recipients without dependents to work. the required workfare participation rate would be increased by 2 percent a year until 50 percent were working." (h.r. 2118, cq vote #163: rejected 34-64: r 1-42; d 33-22, 6/22/93, kerry voted yea)

    but in 1996, kerry voted for welfare reform. (h.r. 3734, cq vote #262: adopted 78-21: r 53-0; d 25-21, 8/1/96, kerry voted yea)

    flip-flops on stock options expensing

    kerry used to oppose expensing stock options. "democratic senator john f. kerry was among those fighting expensing of stock options." (sue kirchhoff, "senate blocks options," the boston globe, 7/16/02)

    kerry said expensing options would not "benefit the investing public." kerry: "mr. president, the financial accounting standards board ... has proposed a rule that will require companies to amortize the value of stock options and deduct them off of their earnings statements ... i simply cannot see how the fasb rule, as proposed, will benefit the investing public." (sen. john kerry, congressional record, 3/10/94, p. s2772)

    but now kerry says he supports carrying of stock options as corporate expense. "on an issue related to corporate scandals, kerry for the first time endorsed the carrying of stock options as a corporate expense. the use of stock options was abused by some companies and contributed to overly optimistic balance sheets. kerry applauded steps by microsoft corp. to eliminate stock options for employees and said all publicly traded companies should be required to expense such options." (dan balz, "kerry raps bush policy on postwar iraq," the washington post, 7/11/03)

    flip-flopped on medical marijuana

    kerry said his "personal disposition is open to the issue of medical marijuana." "aaron houston of the granite staters for medical marijuana said that just a month ago mr. kerry seemed to endorse medical marijuana use, and when asked about the content of his mysterious study, said, 'i am trying to find out. i don't know.' mr. kerry did say his 'personal disposition is open to the issue of medical marijuana' and that he'd stop drug enforcement administration raids on patients using the stuff under california's medical marijuana law." (jennifer harper, "inside politics," the washington times, 8/8/03)

    but now kerry says he wants to wait for study analyzing issue before making final decision. "the massachusetts democrat said wednesday he'd put off any final decision on medical marijuana because there's 'a study under way analyzing what the science is.'" (jennifer harper, "inside politics," the washington times, 8/8/03)

    flip-flopped on burma sanctions

    in 1995, kerry was against burma sanctions. "'i question whether isolation is a successful means of promoting political change,' kerry told a constituent in a 1995 letter justifying his opposition to a burma sanction bill." (geeta anand, et al., "menino gets ahead of himself, starts contemplating third term," the boston globe, 5/18/97)

    but now kerry supports burma sanctions. "in his 1996 reelection campaign, kerry, after governor william f. weld took up the cause, was badgered by advisers into shifting his position. but as he eyes a presidential campaign and the burma sanction movement gains credibility, kerry ... describes the burma regime as a 'semi-criminalized dictatorship ... which should not be treated with respect by other nations, but should be instead subject to limitations on travel, investment, and access to the most developed nations.'" (geeta anand, et al., "menino gets ahead of himself, starts contemplating third term," the boston globe, 5/18/97)

    flip-flopped on military experience as credential for public office

    kerry: service should not be "litmus test" for leadership. "mr. president, you and i know that if support or opposition to the war were to become a litmus test for leadership, america would never have leaders or recover from the divisions created by that war. you and i know that if service or nonservice in the war is to become a test of qualification for high office, you would not have a vice president, nor would you have a secretary of defense and our nation would never recover from the divisions created by that war." (sen. john kerry, congressional record, 10/08/92, p. s17709)

    but now kerry constantly "challenges the stature of his democratic opponents" over their lack of military service. "and more than ever, mr. kerry is invoking his stature as a vietnam veteran as he challenges the stature of his democratic opponents -- none of whom, he frequently points out, have 'worn the uniform of our country' -- to withstand a debate with mr. bush on national security." (adam nagourney, "as campaign tightens, kerry sharpens message," the new york times, 8/10/03)

    flip-flopped on pacs

    kerry used to decry "special interests and their pac money." "'i'm frequently told by cynics in washington that refusing pac money is naive,' kerry told his supporters in 1985. 'do you agree that it is "nave" to turn down special interests and their pac money?'" (glen johnson, "in a switch, kerry is launching a pac," the boston globe, 12/15/01)

    but now, kerry has established his own pac. "a week after repeating that he has refused to accept donations from political action committees, senator john f. kerry announced yesterday that he was forming a committee that would accept pac money for him to distribute to other democratic candidates. ... kerry's stance on soft money, unregulated donations funneled through political parties, puts him in the position of raising the type of money that he, mccain, and others in the campaign-finance reform movement are trying to eliminate." (glen johnson, "in a switch, kerry is launching a pac," the boston globe, 12/15/01)

    flip-flopped on $10,000 donation limit to his pac

    when kerry established his pac in 2001, he instituted a $10,000 limit on donations. "a week after repeating that he has refused to accept donations from political action committees, senator john f. kerry announced yesterday that he was forming a committee that would accept pac money for him to distribute to other democratic candidates ... the statement also declared that the new pac would voluntarily limit donations of so-called soft money to $10,000 per donor per year and disclose the source and amount of all such donations." (glen johnson, "in a switch, kerry is launching a pac," the boston globe, 12/15/01)


    one year later, kerry started accepting unlimited contributions. "senator john f. kerry, who broke with personal precedent last year when he established his first political action committee, has changed his fund-raising guidelines again, dropping a $10,000 limit on contributions from individuals, a cap he had touted when establishing the pac. the massachusetts democrat said yesterday he decided to accept unlimited contributions, which has already allowed him to take in 'soft money' donations as large as $25,000, because of the unprecedented fund-raising demands confronting him as a leader in the senate democratic caucus." (glen johnson, "kerry shifts fund-raising credo for his own pac," the boston globe, 10/4/02)

    flip-flopped on using personal funds in 1996 race

    in 1996, kerry and weld established $500,000 limit of personal wealth to be used in senate campaign. "in 1996, kerry and weld gave their already noteworthy senate race added significance by establishing a spending cap. the candidates agreed to spend no more than $6.9 million from july 1 through the election. weld ended up spending $6.6 million and kerry $6.3 million. one key element of the agreement limited the candidates to spending $500,000 in personal wealth, a clause weld favored because kerry is married to a millionaire, teresa heinz." (glen johnson, "in kerry's plan for a pac, the resolution of opposites," the boston globe, 12/18/01)

    kerry broke agreement by spending $1.2 million over limit. "[p]ost-election reports showed a last-minute infusion of $1.7 million from kerry's wife, heiress teresa heinz. ... [k]erry denied that his campaign violated its agreement. the money had been loaned--not contributed--by his wife, he explained. 'there was nothing in the agreement that restricted us from taking a loan ... and we paid it back in $1,000 and $2,000 chunks.'" ("global ecology lobby rocked by defection," political finance, the newsletter, 1/02)

    flip-flopped on israel security fence

    october 2003: kerry calls fence "barrier to peace." "and i know how disheartened palestinians are by the israeli government's decision to build a barrier off the green line, cutting deeply into palestinian areas. we do not need another barrier to peace. provocative and counterproductive measures only harm israel's security over the long- term, they increase hardships to the palestinian people, and they make the process of negotiating an eventual settlement that much harder." (sen. john kerry, remarks before arab american institute national leadership conference, dearborn, mi, 10/17/03)

    february 2004: kerry calls fence "legitimate act of self-defense." "us senator john kerry of massachusetts, the frontrunner in the race for the democratic presidential nomination, described israel's construction of a security barrier as a 'legitimate act of self defense' after sunday's suicide bombing in jerusalem, clarifying a position he took in october when he told an arab american audience, 'we don't need another barrier to peace.'" (janine zacharia, "kerry defends security fence," the jerusalem post, 2/25/04)

    flip-flop-flipped on ballistic missile defense

    kerry called for cancellation of missile defense systems in 1984 and has voted against funding for missile defense at least 53 times between 1985 and 2000. ("john kerry on the defense budget," campaign position paper, john kerry for u.s. senate, 1984; s. 1160, cq vote #99: rejected 21-78: r 2-50; d 19-28, 6/4/85, kerry voted yea; s. 1160, cq vote #100: rejected 38-57: r 6-45; d 32-12, 6/4/85, kerry voted yea; s. 1160, cq vote #101: rejected 36-59: r 1-49; d 35-10, 6/4/85, kerry voted yea; s. 1160, cq vote #103: rejected 33-62: r 28-22; d 5-40, 6/4/85, kerry voted nay; h.j. res. 465, cq vote #365: motion agreed to 64-32: r 49-2; d 15-30, 12/10/85, kerry voted nay; h.r. 4515, cq vote #122: ruled non-germane 45-47: r 7-42; d 38-5, 6/6/86, kerry voted yea; s. 2638, cq vote #176: motion agreed to 50-49: r 41-11; d 9-38, 8/5/86, kerry voted nay; s. 2638, cq vote #177: rejected 49-50: r 10-42; d 39-8, 8/5/86, kerry voted yea; s. 1174, cq vote #248: motion agreed to 58-38: r 8-37; d 50-1, 9/17/87, kerry voted yea; s. 1174, cq vote #259: motion agreed to 51-50: r 37-9; d 13-41, with vice president bush casting an " yea " vote, 9/22/87, kerry voted nay; s. 2355, cq vote #124: motion agreed to 66-29: r 38-6; d 28-23, 5/11/88, kerry voted nay; s. 2355, cq vote #125: motion agreed to 50-46: r 38-7; d 12-39, 5/11/88, kerry voted nay; s. 2355, cq vote #126: motion rejected 47-50: r 38-6; d 9-44, 5/11/88, kerry voted nay; s. 2355, cq vote #128: motion rejected 48-50: r 6-39; d 42-11, 5/11/88, kerry voted yea; s. 2355, cq vote #136: motion agreed to 56-37: r 9-34; d 47-3, 5/13/88, kerry voted yea; s. 2355, cq vote #137: motion agreed to 51-43: r 38-5; d 13-38, 5/13/88, kerry voted nay; h.r. 4264, cq vote #251: motion rejected 35-58: r 35-9; d 0-49, 7/14/88, kerry voted nay; h.r. 4781, cq vote #296: motion agreed to 50-44: r 5-39; d 45-5, 8/5/88, kerry voted yea; s. 1352, cq vote #148: motion agreed to 50-47: r 37-6; d 13-41, 7/27/89, kerry voted nay; h.r. 3072, cq vote #202: rejected 34-66: r 27-18; d 7-48, 9/26/89, kerry voted nay; h.r. 3072, cq vote #213: adopted 53-47: r 39-6; d 14-41, 9/28/89, kerry voted nay; s. 2884, cq vote #223: adopted 54-44: r 2-42; d 52-2, 8/4/90, kerry voted yea; s. 2884, cq vote #225: motion agreed to 56-41: r 39-4; d 17-37, 8/4/90, kerry voted nay; s. 2884, cq vote #226: motion agreed to 54-43: r 37-6; d 17-37, 8/4/90, kerry voted nay; s. 3189, cq vote #273: passed 79-16: r 37-5; d 42-11, 10/15/90, kerry voted nay; h.r. 5803, cq vote #319: adopted 80-17: r 37-6; d 43-11, 10/26/90, kerry voted nay; h.r. 4739, cq vote #320: adopted 80-17: r 37-6; d 43-11, 10/26/90, kerry voted nay; s. 1507, cq vote #168: rejected 39-60: r 4-39; d 35-21, 7/31/91, kerry voted yea; s. 1507, cq vote #171: motion agreed to 60-38: r 40-3; d 20-35, 8/1/91, kerry voted nay; s. 1507, cq vote #172: motion agreed to 64-34: r 39-4; d 25-30, 8/1/91, kerry voted nay; s. 1507, cq vote #173: rejected 46-52: r 5-38; d 41-14, 8/1/91, kerry voted yea; h.r. 2521, cq vote #207: motion agreed to 50-49: r 38-5; d 12-44, 9/25/91, kerry voted nay; s. 2403, cq vote #85: adopted 61-38: r 7-36; d 54-2, 5/6/92, kerry voted yea; h.r. 4990, cq vote #108: adopted 90-9: r 34-9; d 56-0, 5/21/92, kerry voted yea; s. 3114, cq vote #182: motion rejected 43-49: r 34-5; d 9-44, 8/7/92, kerry voted nay; s. 3114, cq vote #214: rejected 48-50: r 5-38; d 43-12, 9/17/92, kerry voted yea; s. 3114, cq vote #215: adopted 52-46: r 39-4; d 13-42, 9/17/92, kerry voted nay; h.r. 5504, cq vote #228: adopted 89-4: r 36-4; d 53-0, 9/22/92, kerry voted yea; s. 1298, cq vote #251: adopted 50-48: r 6-36; d 44-12, 9/9/93, kerry voted yea; s. con. res. 63, cq vote #64: rejected 40-59: r 2-42; d 38-17, 3/22/94, kerry voted yea; s. 1026, cq vote #354: motion agreed to 51-48: r 47-6; d 4-42, 8/3/95, kerry voted nay; s. 1087, cq vote #384: rejected 45-54: r 5-49; d 40-5, 8/10/95, kerry voted yea; s. 1087, cq vote #397: passed 62-35: r 48-4; d 14-31, 9/5/95, kerry voted nay; h.r. 1530, cq vote #399: passed 64-34: r 50-3; d 14-31, 9/6/95, kerry voted nay; h.r. 2126, cq vote #579: adopted 59-39: r 48-5; d 11-34, 11/16/95, kerry voted nay; h.r. 1530, cq vote #608: adopted 51-43: r 47-2; d 4-41, 12/19/95, kerry voted nay; s. 1635, cq vote #157: rejected 53-46: r 52-0; d 1-46, 6/4/96, kerry voted nay; s. 1745, cq vote #160: rejected 44-53: r 4-49; d 40-4, 6/19/96, kerry voted yea; s. 1745, cq vote #187: passed 68-31: r 50-2; d 18-29, 7/10/96, kerry voted nay; s. 936, cq vote #171: rejected 43-56: r 2-53; d 41-3, 7/11/97, kerry voted yea; s. 1873, cq vote #131: motion rejected 59-41: r 55-0; d 4-41, 5/13/98, kerry voted nay; s. 1873, cq vote #262: motion rejected 59-41: r 55-0; d 4-41, 9/9/98, kerry voted nay; s. 2549, cq vote #178: motion agreed to 52-48: r 52-3; d 0-45, 7/13/00, kerry voted nay)

    kerry then claimed to support missile defense. "i support the development of an effective defense against ballistic missiles that is deployed with maximum transparency and consultation with u.s. allies and other major powers. if there is a real potential of a rogue nation firing missiles at any city in the united states, responsible leadership requires that we make our best, most thoughtful efforts to defend against that threat. the same is true of accidental launch. if it were to happen, no leader could ever explain not having chosen to defend against the disaster when doing so made sense." (peace action website, "where do the candidates stand on foreign policy?" http://www.peace-action.org/2004/kerry.html, accessed 3/10/04)

    now kerry campaign says he will defund missile defense. fox news' major garrett: "kerry would not say how much all of this would cost. a top military adviser said the massachusetts senator would pay for some of it by stopping all funds to deploy a national ballistic missile defense system, one that kerry doesn't believe will work." kerry advisor rand beers: "he would not go forward at this time because there is not a proof of concept." (fox news' "special report," 3/17/03)

    flip-flopped on 1991 iraq war coalition

    at the time, kerry questioned strength of 1991 coalition. "i keep hearing from people, 'well, the coalition is fragile, it won't stay together,' and my response to that is, if the coalition is so fragile, then what are the vital interests and what is it that compels us to risk our young american's lives if the others aren't willing to stay the ... course of peace? ... i voted against the president, i'm convinced we're doing this the wrong way ..." (cbs' "this morning," 1/16/91)

    now kerry has nothing but praise for 1991 coalition. sen. john kerry: "in my speech on the floor of the senate i made it clear, you are strongest when you act with other nations. all presidents, historically, his father, george herbert walker bush, did a brilliant job of building a legitimate coalition and even got other people to help pay for the war." (nbc's "meet the press," 1/11/04)

    flip-flopped on view of war on terror

    kerry said war on terror is "basically a manhunt." "kerry was asked about bush's weekend appearance on 'meet the press' when he called himself a 'war president.' the senator, who watched the session, remarked: 'the war on terrorism is a very different war from the way the president is trying to sell it to us. it's a serious challenge, and it is a war of sorts, but it is not the kind of war they're trying to market to america.' kerry characterized the war on terror as predominantly an intelligence-gathering and law enforcement operation. 'it's basically a manhunt,' he said. 'you gotta know who they are, where they are, what they're planning, and you gotta be able to go get 'em before they get us.'" (katherine m. skiba, "bush, kerry turn focus to each other," milwaukee journal sentinel, 2/13/04)

    two weeks later, kerry flip-flopped, saying war on terror is more than "a manhunt". "this war isn't just a manhunt - a checklist of names from a deck of cards. in it, we do not face just one man or one terrorist group. we face a global jihadist movement of many groups, from different sources, with separate agendas, but all committed to assaulting the united states and free and open societies around the globe." (sen. john kerry, remarks at university of california at los angeles, los angeles, ca, 2/27/04)

    flip-flopped on funding for our troops in iraq

    kerry pledged to fund reconstruction with "whatever number" of dollars it took. nbc's tim russert: "do you believe that we should reduce funding that we are now providing for the operation in iraq?" sen. john kerry: "no. i think we should increase it." russert: "increase funding?" kerry: "yes." russert: "by how much?" kerry: "by whatever number of billions of dollars it takes to win. it is critical that the united states of america be successful in iraq, tim." (nbc's "meet the press," 8/31/03)

    then kerry voted against senate passage of iraq/afghanistan reconstruction package. "passage of the bill that would appropriate $86.5 billion in fiscal 2004 supplemental spending for military operations and reconstruction in iraq and afghanistan. the bill would provide $10.3 billion as a grant to rebuild iraq, including $5.1 billion for security and $5.2 billion for reconstruction costs. it also would provide $10 billion as a loan that would be converted to a grant if 90 percent of all bilateral debt incurred by the former iraqi regime of saddam hussein has been forgiven by other countries. separate provisions limit reconstruction aid to $18.4 billion. it also would provide approximately $65.6 billion for military operations and maintenance and $1.3 billion for veterans medical care." (s. 1689, cq vote #400: passed 87-12: r 50-0; d 37-11; i 0-1, 10/17/03, kerry voted nay)

    kerry later claimed: "i actually did vote for the $87 billion before i voted against it." (glen johnson, "kerry blasts bush on protecting troops," the boston globe, 3/17/04)

    flip-flopped on tapping strategic petroleum reserve

    in february 2000, kerry said release of oil from strategic petroleum reserve would not be "relevant." "without being specific, kerry, a key member of the senate foreign relations committee, suggested the us could retaliate economically in other trade areas. he also said he does not want a release of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve. a release 'is not relevant. it would take months for the oil to get to the market,' he said." (cathy landry, "us energy chief warns of gasoline crisis," platt's oilgram news, 2/17/00)

    now, in march 2004, kerry called for stop in filling strategic petroleum reserve to reduce prices. "kerry would pressure oil-producing nations to increase production and temporarily suspend filling the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve, according to campaign documents. ... 'the bush administration has put the spr fill program on automatic pilot without regard to the short-term effect on the us market,' the campaign documents said. 'the program needs better management ... kerry would temporarily suspend filling spr until oil prices return to normal levels.'" (patricia wilson, "kerry to offer plan to reduce record gasoline prices," reuters, 3/29/04)

    flip flopped on internet taxation

    in 1998, kerry voted to allow states to continue taxing internet access after moratorium took effect. kerry voted against tabling an amendment that would extend the moratorium from two years to three years and allow states that currently impose taxes on internet access to continue doing so after the moratorium takes effect. (s. 442, cq vote #306: motion rejected 28-69: r 27-27; d 1-42, 10/7/98, kerry voted nay)

    in 2001, kerry voted to extend internet tax moratorium until 2005 and allow states to form uniform internet tax system with approval of congress. (h.r. 1552, cq vote #341: motion agreed to 57-43: r 35-14; d 22-28; i 0-1, 11/15/01, kerry voted nay)

    kerry said "we do not support any tax on the internet itself." "we do not support any tax on the internet itself. we don't support access taxes. we don't support content taxes. we don't support discriminatory taxes. many of us would like to see a permanent moratorium on all of those kinds of taxes. at the same time, a lot of us were caught in a place where we thought it important to send the message that we have to get back to the table in order to come to a consensus as to how we equalize the economic playing field in the united states in a way that is fair." (sen. john kerry, congressional record, 11/15/01, p. s11902)
  8. by   julieftRN
    [font=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]wednesday, june 23, 2004
    the raw deal: john kerry blocking reform of frivolous lawsuits


    "john kerry has repeatedly blocked reform of frivolous lawsuits and his obstruction is resulting in higher healthcare costs of up to $100 billion per year for patients across the country."

    -steve schmidt, bush-cheney '04 spokesman

    frivolous lawsuits cost americans billions

    medical liability lawsuits cost between $65 billion and $108 billion per year. (july 25, 2002 hhs study: "confronting the new health care crisis: improving health care quality and lowering costs by fixing our medical liability system"; www.hhs.gov)

    kerry opposes lawsuit reform

    kerry is a "longtime opponent of damage caps and product liability reform." "sen. john kerry, d-mass., a longtime opponent of damage caps and product liability reform, supports mandatory sanctions for meritless claims as part of his presidential platform. he also would require all states to offer non-binding mediation before allowing plaintiffs to proceed to trial." (elizabeth austin and jim day, "rising awards adds fuel to debate on tort reform," chicago lawyer, 11/03)

    kerry "would not rule out more 'punitive' measures." "kerry has proposed creating quasi-judicial panels to screen out frivolous lawsuits against doctors that help cause medical malpractice insurance costs to soar. he would not rule out more 'punitive' measures than are in his plan. 'i think that's the beginning place,' he said. 'i think it has to be on the table.'" (john kerry for president website, "kerry talks health to city employees," http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/c...003_0710a.html, accessed 11/11/03)

    at least ten times in the last decade, kerry opposed or voted to block medical liability reforms.

    kerry missed 2003 vote on medical liability reform.

    kerry opposed capping product liability punitive damages against small businesses.

    kerry opposed limiting punitive damages in product liability cases.

    kerry opposed a loser pays system for security fraud lawsuits.

    kerry opposed capping personal injury lawyers' contingency fees for non-economic damages.

    kerry voted against reducing product liability lawsuits.
    kerry opposed a bill that would establish nationwide standards on how victims should be compensated, provide incentives to settle lawsuits, and establish alternatives to litigation.

    kerry opposed lowering the amount of awards for product liability lawsuits.

    kerry's strong ties to trial lawyers

    since 1991, kerry received at least $1,727,246 from trial lawyers.
    (dwight l. morris & associates website, www.campaignfinanceanalysisproject.com, accessed 5/24/04; political money line website, www.tray.com, accessed 2/6/04)

    kerry's presidential campaign raised $1,162,500 from trial lawyers. (dwight l. morris & associates website, www.campaignfinanceanalysisproject.com, accessed 6/23/04)

    since 1991, kerry's senate committee raised $493,496 from trial lawyers. (dwight l. morris & associates website, www.campaignfinanceanalysisproject.com, accessed 2/26/04)

    kerry's federal pac, citizen soldier fund, raised $21,250 from trial lawyers. (dwight l. morris & associates website, www.campaignfinanceanalysisproject.com, accessed 2/26/04)

    kerry raised $50,000 in soft money from trial lawyers. the contributions, made to kerry's citizen soldier fund soft money "527" committee, came from five law firms and one lawyer:

    • waters & kraus (dallas, tx): $15,000
    • milberg weiss (new york, ny): $10,000
    • packard packard & johnson (los altos, ca): $10,000
    • kazan mcclain (oakland, ca): $5,000
    • stanley mandel & iota (dallas, tx): $5,000
    • pamela liapakis (sullivan & liapakis, new york, ny): $5,000 (former atla president) (law firm websites; political money line website, www.tray.com, accessed 2/6/04)
    since 1989, kerry has received $13,167,273 from lawyers, most of any senator in past 15 years. (center for responsive politics website, www.opensecrets.org, accessed 6/23/04; center for responsive politics website, www.opensecrets.org, accessed 6/23/04)

    • kerry's presidential campaign has received $10,292,049 from lawyers. (center for responsive politics website, www.opensecrets.org, accessed 6/23/04)
    in may 2003, miami trial lawyers hosted breakfast for kerry. ("oval office dreams," miami daily business review, 5/19/03)

    in 1999, kerry was accused of catering to trial lawyers by sponsoring an amendment that sen. ron wyden (d-or) called "a lightning rod for additional frivolous lawsuits." "silicon valley scored a sweet political victory yesterday, knocking back a senate filibuster on a bill to protect companies from lawsuits over the y2k computer glitch and closing in on enough votes to defeat a promised white house veto. ... [sen. fritz] hollings charged that silicon valley is demanding an unprecedented legal shield, comparing it to general motors making a car that turns left when the driver steers it right, and then asking congress to prevent anyone from suing. but a powerful alliance of democrats from states with strong technology sectors, including feinstein, oregon's ron wyden and connecticut's chris dodd, accused hollings and massachusetts democrat john kerry - who has drafted a weaker alternative that has white house backing - of catering to trial lawyers. 'the kerry amendment is a lightning rod for additional frivolous lawsuits,' wyden charged. 'some of the language is so vague it's going to ignite a litigation derby.' kerry's amendment went down to defeat yesterday on a 57-to-41 vote." (carolyn lochhead, "silicon valley's y2k lawsuit limit gaining in senate," the san francisco chronicle, 6/10/99)
  9. by   Q.
    This is precisely why I can't form any opinion on Kerry because I don't think he can form one himself.

    Anyone who seriously can change their mind on fundamental matters in a blink of an eye scares me. I would have absolutely no clue who or what I'd be voting for if I voted for him.

    Bush, while certainly not perfect and has done things that I wholly disagree with, is someone at least I know I disagree with because his stance is known.
  10. by   julieftRN
    I couldnt agree with you more. You know where Bush stands on the issues, although some I dont agree with (a president can satisfy us all) Kerry on the other hand doesnt even know himself what he stands for.
  11. by   sagelola
    hmmmm...and meanwhile we currently have a president who lies to us, takes away some of our liberties, allows large capitalistic companies and rich people to have all the benefits....I could continue, but I won't. I just know that the state of the country is not a good one and I will leave it at that. If you want it to continue on the road it is currently on...by all means, re-elect Bush. I for one will NOT be a part of that!
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    Despite all the talk about "honor and dignity," Bush seems to have a problem meeting his commitments.

    http://www.kings.edu/twsawyer/awol/docs/doc24.gif



    AWOL----absent for 30 days or less.
    Desertion-----absent for more than 30 days with evidence of no intent to return to duty.
    Is he guilty of one or both? You read the facts here and decide.

    http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...htm?once=true&

    Article 83--Fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation

    Text. "Any person who--

    (1) procures his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for that enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder; or

    (2) procures his own separation from the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his eligibility for that separation;

    shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

    http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...htm?once=true&

    Article 86--Absence without leave

    "Any member of the armed forces who, without authority--

    (1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;

    (2) goes from that place; or

    (3) absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

    Elements.

    (1) Failure to go to appointed place of duty.

    (a) That a certain authority appointed a certain time and place of duty for the accused;

    (b) That the accused knew of that time and place; and

    (c) That the accused, without authority, failed to go to the appointed place of duty at the time prescribed.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------



    This is not the story of a search for missing records. We have the pertinent records.

    This is not a hunt for credible eyewitnesses and first hand statements. The officers involved have stepped forward. We have their testimony and we have the signed statements of those no longer living.

    This is the story of how George Walker Bush walked away from a years duty while in the National Guard.

    And, this is the story of how he has thus far gotten away with it.

    "I continued flying with my unit for the next several years..."

    That statement is an outright LIE, which means the person making it is a LIAR.

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif

    Bush left Houston May 15, 1972 and went to work on a political campaign in Alabama. His first request for a transfer on May 24 was denied because the unit was inactive. His second request on September 5 to a different unit was granted. He was issued a direct order to report on specific days to the base, which he completely ignored. The order was issued on September 15 to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air Force base in Montgomery, AL, on the dates of "7-8 October 0730-1600, and 4-5 November 0730-1600" His orders, dated Sept. 15, 1972, said: "Lieutenant Bush should report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, DCO, to perform equivalent training." [Boston Globe 5/23/00] http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc11.gif

    - His Commanding Officer, William Turnipseed, says he did not show up.

    "To my knowledge, he never showed up," Turnipseed said last month. [Boston Globe 5/23/00] In interviews last week, Turnipseed and his administrative officer at the time, Kenneth K. Lott, said they had no memory of Bush ever reporting. ''Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not,'' Turnipseed said. ''I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered.'' Turnipseed also reports that the then-squadron operations officer of the Alabama Guard also has no recollection of having seen Bush.(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

    "Furthermore, a spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush has not named a single one of them."(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

    - There is no official National Guard record for George W. Bush's service in Alabama.

    "His official discharge records do not include any service after May 15 of 1972. Indeed, Bush's discharge papers list his service and duty station for each of his first four years in the Air Guard. But there is no record of training listed after May 1972, and no mention of any service in Alabama. On that discharge form, Lloyd (Albert Lloyd Jr., a retired colonel who was the Texas Air Guard's personnel director from 1969 to 1995 and was hired by the Bush campaign to make sense of the governor's military records) said, ''there should have been an entry for the period between May 1972 and May 1973.'' Said Lloyd, ''It appeared he had a bad year. He might have lost interest, since he knew he was getting out.'' [Boston Globe 5/23/00]

    - No one in the Alabama National Guard ever saw him.

    "A spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush has not named a single one of them." (The New Republic 10/16/2000)

    Even though members of the Alabama Air National Guard have offered $1000 to anyone who can remember serving with Bush, no one has come forward to corroborate his service, with the exception of an old girlfriend who says she remembers him saying he was going, but does not have any other evidence, essentially making it her word against Bush's commanding officers' and a lack of official documents as noted above.

    - Even the Bush campaign claims that he only showed up on a single day in November and made up missed weekends, not contesting the fact that he defied direct orders to appear on the dates stated above.

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc11.gif
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Perhaps someone who has been in the service can tell us what would happen to a pilot who refused a direct order to comply with the obligation to have a physical examination. Would it be OK to say (paraphrasing now) "I changed my mind. The plane I wanted to fly is being phased out so I think I'll go to Alabama."
    I must really be dumb. Wasn't he in the TEXAS Air National Guard?

    Getting into the Guard
    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc26.gif Contract of Service (5/27/68)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc23.gif Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc24.gif Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/He_get...PR_release.gif Press release
    Second page of the PR release http://www.cis.net~/coldfeet/afterburners.gif (3/24/70)

    1972-1973
    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc7.gif- First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc6.gif- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc25.gif- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc5.gif- Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif- Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif- Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc11.gif - AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc9.gif- Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc17.gif- Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc12.gif- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/2?/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc28.gif- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons."

    1972-1973 Days Credited:
    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc99.gif As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
    http://www.awolbush.com/images/georgemag99.jpg As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
    As released by the White House in February 2004
    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc16.gif- 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

    Getting Out of the Guard
    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/Doc20.gif- Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc27.gif - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/Doc21.gif- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

    http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...10673dent.html Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:
    Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...3lloydmem.html
    Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...usaf-rprc.html
    USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...73arfspe1.html
    ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...73arfspe2.html
    ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)

    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...milpay-p1.html
    Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Jun 24, '04
  14. by   julieftRN
    Quote from spacenurse
    Perhaps someone who has been in the service can tell us what would happen to a pilot who refused a direct order to comply with the obligation to have a physical examination. Would it be OK to say (paraphrasing now) "I changed my mind. The plane I wanted to fly is being phased out so I think I'll go to Alabama."
    I must really be dumb. Wasn't he in the TEXAS Air National Guard?

    Getting into the Guard
    (doc26.gif )- Contract of Service (5/27/68)

    (doc23.gif )- Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

    (doc24.gif ) - Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

    Press release http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/He_gets...PR_release.gif (3/24/1970)

    Second page of the PR release http://www.cis.net~/coldfeet/afterburners.gif (3/24/70)

    1972-1973
    (doc7.gif ) - First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

    (doc6.gif )- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

    (doc25.gif )- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

    (doc5.gif ) - Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

    (grounded.gif ) - Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

    (doc2.gif ) - Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

    (doc11.gif )- AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

    (doc4.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

    (doc9.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

    (doc17.gif ) - Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

    (doc12.gif )- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/2?/73)

    (doc28.gif )- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons."

    1972-1973 Days Credited:
    As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
    As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
    As released by the White House in February 2004
    (doc16.gif ) - 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

    Getting Out of the Guard
    (Doc20.gif ) - Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

    (doc27.gif ) - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

    (doc10.gif ) - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

    (ang22.gif ) - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

    (Doc21.gif )- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

    (doc14.gif ) - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

    Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:
    Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

    Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

    USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

    ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

    ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)

    Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

    I mean, seriously, is that really on the agenda as far as policy goes? No, I dont think so, although some will ignore what I have posted, the facts remain the same. If you are for Kerry and Pro Health Care, then just take a look at where Kerry gets his campaign money from, the very same trial lawyers who prosecute to win big against health care agencies and the health care positions. Do you actually think he will be looking out for you? I hardly doubt that since he has to support the issues that will "reimburse" these trial lawyers. And you KNOW they arent against suing the health proffesion.

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