The American's Creed
William Tyler Page
This says it all...
"I believe in the United States of America as a government of
the people, by the people, for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed;
a democracy in a Republic;
a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States;
a perfect Union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity, for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my Country to love it, to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies."
Last edit by Chellyse66 on Oct 11, '01
Sep 20, '01
I was brought up to have respect for the American flag,
I am sickened by the stories of late regarding flag burnings.
Just today three flags were found burned in front of an elementary school...
The Supreme Court has ruled that flag burning is a form of free speech and protected by the First Amendment. Explain that rationale to me someone???
Numerous attempts to add an anti-flag-burning amendment to the Constitution have been unsuccessful. In July, the House of Representatives again initiated a proposed amendment giving Congress "power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States", will it be successful?
Sep 20, '01
Michelle, I don't think I've seen it expressed better than in the speech Michael Douglas (playing President Andrew Shepard) gave at the end of the movie The American President:
"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, 'You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest.' Now show me that. Defend that. Celebrate that in your classrooms. Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free."
I'm not saying that my immediate emotional reaction to seeing a flag being burned in front of me wouldn't be anger and outrage, particularly after last Tuesday, but the point is made above: it's not the flag that's sacred; it's the ideals it represents and the freedoms it symbolizes that are sacred.
Sep 21, '01
That is the thing that makes our nation something worth saving. No one group, however loud, pious or even rich can dictate what we can or cannot say. If Congress in its zeal passes some
"patriotic" law limiting a citizen's right to express himself, our Supreme Court will strike it down.
Don't burn the flag, don't wear it as clothing and don't spit on it.
If you do you will really piss me off. But if someone tries to make a law saying you can't, I'll petition for your rights as will many of my fellow Americans. Gary
Sep 21, '01
I recall back in the early 90's there was a lot of flag burning going on. I also remember a judge form a souther state, NC or SC maybe, i don't really remember, who said somthing like, I cannot fine or jail someone for burning the flag, however, the fine for beating someone who has burned a flag will be $1. Nuff said.
Sep 21, '01
Thank you. Symbolism is very powerful, it invokes every range of emotion, as we have all witnessed. I have to admit that I agree and the speech analogy was excellent. I also admit hearing of flag burnings and descration with the likes of people "wiping thier butts with the flag" , makes me sick...
Freedom of speech, the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, defines us as a great nation. Although, I believe many take advantage, exploiting these freedoms at times.
My understanding is that in determining whether something is a violation of free speech, our court system uses the reasonable person standard . In other words, would an ordinary person feel threatened by this action? I can tell you that in America right now based on the events of this last week, many would feel that flag burning is a threat, maybe this will become a point of debate.
Our flag is sacred. Our freedom is life....Our flag represents in symbolism, our freedom to the world at large.
Thank you again for your comments.
Sep 21, '01
A threat? I don't think a reasonable person would feel that. I don't. It's no more threatening today than it was a week and a half ago. I am more worried about guns and other weapons, etc.
If some idiot wants to burn a flag to get his point across, I think he is an idiot and has every right to act accordingly. I think this debate is just politicians trying to score points with their constituents on some meaningless issue which requires no real work, rather than doing something productive with their time like improving education.
Sep 22, '01
It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.
- Father Denis O'Brian - U.S. Marine Corps
Oct 11, '01
bump for Father Denis O'Brian...
If burning the flag was not meant to be a threat then why do you suppose some many in foreign countries die burning it in the streets?
Oct 11, '01
I'm not following your syllogism. People in those "other countries" are killed for everything from stealing food to having extramarital affairs, even though neither of those could be construed as being a direct threat to the state.
I think the point is, democratic societies find our freedoms make us stronger. Despotic societies who rule by intimidation and torture or murder cannot afford to allow even the smallest amount of dissent to go unchecked or unpunished. We DON'T want to be like them, right?
Oct 15, '01
You are so right.. The best things in life aren't things...
May the sun shine brightly on you, in peace, and may the wind be always at your back or something like that....
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