The ACLU

  1. http://www.intellectualconservative....-the-aclu-way/
    The ACLU came into existence during World War I to defend anarchists and socialists who endeavored to sabotage the United States government.
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  3. by   pickledpepperRN
  4. by   URO-RN
    There is a long pedigree for the liberal mindset that leads to assiduously blocking effective methods of surveillance and detention of enemies of the United States, the same mindset that produced repeated, putatively criminal revelations of top-secret national security programs by the New York Times. http://www.intellectualconservative....-the-aclu-way/

  5. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from URO-RN


    Just shows how much the "intellectual conservative" hates the Bill of Rights.

    Love the Bill of Rights? Why you must be a Communist!
    Civil liberties are the corner stones of a just and free society.

    I admire the ACLU for standing up to defend the First Amendment. I wish they'd defend the 2nd Amendment just as vigourously.
  6. by   URO-RN
    http://www.issuespot.com/2005/08/acl...o-disgust.html

    from defending pedophiles to protecting the rights of terrorists the aclu never ceases to amaze. this is no longer an organization who can claim to exist solely to preserve the bill of rights. where is the aclu on the second amendment? why would an organization defend nambla, a pedophile group against the family of a murdered10 year old boy?
    this is as sick as it gets folks. but the aclu believes it is a freedom being denied to people. and before liberals start to ask. yes, the aclu has a current policy advocating the legalization of child porn distribution and possession.

    "students of liberty, from john stuart mill to thomas emerson, have all intentionally excluded children from their formula for freedom. the aclu does not. not even when the subject is pornography.[color=#6699cc]quote from twilight of liberty
    in 1982, the aclu, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the supreme court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography."
    the case is...: new york vs ferber, 458 u.s. 747 [color=#6699cc]it can be found here.
    http://stuckon-stupid.com/blog/2006/04/post_37.html
  7. by   Roy Fokker
    why would an organization defend nambla, a pedophile group against the family of a murdered10 year old boy?
    typical emotional rhetoric that obfusciates the facts.

    the aclu has always said every group - even nambla - have a right to speak and have representation in court. the aclu doesn't defend "nambla" - only their "rights" as guaranteed by the constitution.

    even the most heinous murderer or rapist gets to have medical treatment and his/her day in court - as it should be.


    in 1982, the aclu, in an amicus role, lost in a unanimous decision in the supreme court to legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography."
    the case is...: new york vs ferber, 458 u.s. 747 [color=#6699cc]it can be found here.
    that isn't a first amendment issue - that is a first amendment as it applies through the fourteenth amendment issue.

    not the same thing. that ruling merely states that individual states have the right to impose their own standards on what they feel is acceptable and that this right is not trumped by the 14th amendment to the us constitution.

    nothing more. nothing less.
  8. by   Logan
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Just shows how much the "intellectual conservative" hates the Bill of Rights.

    Love the Bill of Rights? Why you must be a Communist!
    Civil liberties are the corner stones of a just and free society.

    I admire the ACLU for standing up to defend the First Amendment. I wish they'd defend the 2nd Amendment just as vigourously.
    Hi,

    Why stop just at the First and Second Amendments?
    Are the rest of "Bill of Rights" no less important?
    Are property rights any less important that the right to free speech and expression?

    Maybe the ACLU should call itself the "First Amendment Defence Organisation" or something.


    Constitutions and laws don't keep government power in check; only a vigilant populace can do that. - Dr. Ron Paul
    Thanks,
    Matthew
  9. by   CHATSDALE
    aclu doesnot take conservative issues very seriously maybe they can only see one side of an issue
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    What conservative rights regarding constitutional civil liberties should be protected?
  11. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from spacenurse
    What conservative rights regarding constitutional civil liberties should be protected?

    The constitional rights cannot interfere with other peoples rights. I believe the right to free speech so adamantely protected by the ACLU can impinge on others rights. Does NAMBLA really rank higher than protecting our children? Oh, I forgot; children can't vote so they don't have any rights. Especially when they have been murdered by pedophile rapists.

    Disgusting.


    Bring on the flames.
  12. by   gwenith
    Sometimes it amazes me that Australians, who do NOT have a constitutional bill of rights are more tolerant of free speech than some Americans who espouse the same. All too often I hear that the "right of free speech" should be restricted - usually to silence a side that someone does not want to hear.

    Even scum of the earth deserve a fair trial - no make that are DUE a fair trial whether or not they deserve it and someone has to do the unpopular job of ensuring that this occurs.
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from gwenith
    Sometimes it amazes me that Australians, who do NOT have a constitutional bill of rights are more tolerant of free speech than some Americans who espouse the same. All too often I hear that the "right of free speech" should be restricted - usually to silence a side that someone does not want to hear.

    Even scum of the earth deserve a fair trial - no make that are DUE a fair trial whether or not they deserve it and someone has to do the unpopular job of ensuring that this occurs.
    That is it!

    I cannot support advocating child molestation. I think a convicted molester should NEVER be free. Never have access to any chile ever!
    I disagree with the ACLU regarding violence on TV too. When my kids were young we didn't have the news on or watch adult shows. Are my kids better off? I don't know.

    The rest of the story regarding NAMBLA:
    ...The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet....

    ACLU explanation - http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/prote...s20000831.html
    Newspaper article - http://www.prospect.org/web/printfri...iew.ww?id=5546

    Edited for those who don't open the link - The ACLU position was that the killer not the website was to blame for the murder.
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Aug 18, '06
  14. by   catlady
    Quote from CHATSDALE
    aclu doesnot take conservative issues very seriously maybe they can only see one side of an issue
    I don't know...they defended the American Nazis' right to march, and the Nazis are about as right wing as they come. They say it's the cause, not the client, that they defend.

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