Soldier's chilling testimony fuels demonstrations against Iraq war

  1. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle314735.ece

    ...On the eve of large anti-war demonstrations in Washington and London, Hart Viges has told how indiscriminate fire from US troops is likely to have killed an untold number of Iraqi civilians...
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  3. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from spacenurse
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle314735.ece

    ...On the eve of large anti-war demonstrations in Washington and London, Hart Viges has told how indiscriminate fire from US troops is likely to have killed an untold number of Iraqi civilians...
    Please understand I am not negating the loss of Iraqi lives but there is a term known as collateral damage. It is the loss of civilian life and property which cannot be avoided. What needs to be examined is the number of civilian deaths, what could be done to reduce them and implementation of those changes. Collateral damage is an accepted fact of military warfare.

    Grannynurse
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    "Collateral damage" is killing and is wrong in a preventable war that was planned years before it was started.

    Killing innocent people whether in the NYC World Trade Center, the London Tube, or in Basra or Baghdad is wrong.

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...N-SOLDIERS.xml
    http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.as...2&nav=5D7lBwNp
    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-545922.html

    Iraq Judge Renews Troops' Arrest Warrant


    "It is a sin and a crime to kill or punish innocent people for crimes of the guilty." George Galloway MP, September 24, 2005
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Sep 24, '05
  5. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from spacenurse
    "Collateral damage" is killing and is wrong in a preventable war that was planned years before it was started.

    Killing innocent people whether in the NYC World Trade Center, the London Tube, or in Basra or Baghdad is wrong.

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...N-SOLDIERS.xml
    http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.as...2&nav=5D7lBwNp
    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-545922.html

    Iraq Judge Renews Troops' Arrest Warrant


    "It is a sin and a crime to kill or punish innocent people for crimes of the guilty." George Galloway MP, September 24, 2005

    Please do not take what I posted in the wrong tone. I was and am against the Iraq War. I lost a young friend there, a young man who had graduated the year before from West Point, who had been married seven weeks. A young man who I met when he was just five years old. I was just attempting to explain the concept of collateral damage, nothing more, nothing less.

    Grannynurse
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    Please do not take what I posted in the wrong tone. I was and am against the Iraq War. I lost a young friend there, a young man who had graduated the year before from West Point, who had been married seven weeks. A young man who I met when he was just five years old. I was just attempting to explain the concept of collateral damage, nothing more, nothing less.

    Grannynurse
    Thank you Grannynurse. I am so very sorry about your friend.
  7. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from spacenurse
    Thank you Grannynurse. I am so very sorry about your friend.

    Thank you. He comes from a military family. His older brother is a Major in the Marine corp and his sister, who graduated from West Point two years prior to him, is a Captain in the U.S. Army. I am proud to know them and their parents, both of whom served in the Air force.

    Grannynurse
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    Thank you. He comes from a military family. His older brother is a Major in the Marine corp and his sister, who graduated from West Point two years prior to him, is a Captain in the U.S. Army. I am proud to know them and their parents, both of whom served in the Air force.

    Grannynurse
    Such an accomplished family.
    This is so hard.
    I think the President is starting to get it. It is hard to tell. War is SO terrible!

    http://comment.independent.co.uk/com...icle314745.ece
  9. by   mwbeah
    I am not agreeing or disagreeing but try this out:

    Ask your parents and grandparents if they felt the atomic bombs on japan were worth the lives of american soldiers it saved (the ones that would have been lost).

    "Collateral" damage is what it is (like it or not), and has been a part of warfare since the dawn of man.

    Mike
  10. by   mwbeah
    Quote from mwbeah
    I am not agreeing or disagreeing but try this out:

    Ask your parents and grandparents if they felt the atomic bombs on japan were worth the lives of american soldiers it saved (the ones that would have been lost).

    "Collateral" damage is what it is (like it or not), and has been a part of warfare since the dawn of man.

    Mike
    I am thankful that I do not live like my ancestors (see chart below).....

    I do believe that they had "collateral damage" as well. I am in the business of caring for the "collateral damage" and let me tell you it sucks. But on the same token, I am torn by the fact that I have no connection to them. Like it or not I, at times, find myself saying "well as long as american soldiers didn't get hurt..."

    Like in many of my previous posts, Civilians make the decisions to go to war and the military carries out that decision. Nothing more nothing less.

    Mike
    Last edit by mwbeah on Sep 25, '05
  11. by   mwbeah
    http://hnn.us/articles/1381.html


    Here is that chart that didn't come through
  12. by   Roy Fokker
    Good to see you again Mike

    Been busy?
  13. by   mwbeah
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Good to see you again Mike

    Been busy?
    Starting the PhD course was a rough transition, but I am starting to get some "free" time here and there. So my presence on the message board with be "directly proportional" to my workload......LOL

  14. by   Roy Fokker
    Hats off to ANYONE who goes for their PhD.

    *shudder* My tiny brain will not hold that much info! :chuckle

    Don't be a stranger now Mike!

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