So what were two undercover British soldiers up to in Basra?

  1. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle314977.ece

    ...Whichever details are correct, the result has been a rupture in whatever trust existed between the civil authorities and the military occupiers in Basra....
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  2. 10 Comments

  3. by   Roy Fokker
    Why the hell did the police hand them over to militia groups?
  4. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Why the hell did the police hand them over to militia groups?
    I don't know whether they did or not. Something is not right!
    From the article:

    ..."Who are the two men, and what were they doing when they were seized outside Jamiat police station? What prompted British forces to smash down the wall of the station and demolish several prefabricated buildings inside the compound in the operation to snatch them back? Is it true that they had been handed over to a militia, or that the men inside the station were militia in police uniform?"...
    http://news.independent.co.uk/world...ticle314977.ece
  5. by   mwbeah
    in a statement, brig lorimer said that under iraqi law the soldiers should have been handed over to coalition authorities, but this failed to happen despite repeated requests.

    "i had good reason to believe that the lives of the soldiers were at risk and troops were sent to the area of basra near the police station to help ensure their safety by providing a cordon," brig lorimer said.


    british army vehicles under attack during bid to recover arrested servicemen

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    "as shown on television these troops were attacked with firebombs and rockets by a violent and determined crowd.

    "later in the day, however, i became more concerned about the safety of the two soldiers after we received information that they had been handed over to militia elements."

    after troops broke into the police station to confirm the men were not there, they staged a rescue from a house in basra, said the commanding officer of 12 mechanised brigade in basra. brig lorimer added: "it is of deep concern that british soldiers held by the police should then end up being held by the militia. this is unacceptable."
    Last edit by mwbeah on Sep 29, '05
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    mwbeah, "Make sure you tell the whole story"
    Sorry, I would if I had the whole story.
    Thank you for the pictures.
    What IS the whole story?
  7. by   mwbeah
    Quote from spacenurse
    Sorry, I would if I had the whole story.
    Thank you for the pictures.
    What IS the whole story?


    The soldiers were detained and then they were given to "militia" AKA insurgents....

    The story is on BBC websites.

    I have reviewed many of your postings, make sure you get the "Right" and "Left" views and then tell your stories or voice your concerns. That way you are prepared for debate.

    Mike
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    I am sorry. I have no idea who, if anyone is telling the truth. I think it is impossible for me to tell the whole story. I would if I could.It is impossible for me to debate because I don't have enough information.


    ...The two freed SAS troopers had been arrested in Basra while patrolling under-cover in Arab clothes. They had been wearing Arab clothes when they were arrested in the southern city by a Shia militia loyal to the Iraqi government.
    The militia accused them of shooting at policemen who approached them. After hours of intense negotiations to secure their release, British forces arrived at the central jail last night.
    Iraqi government officials and the governor of Basra claimed that Warrior armoured vehicles had stormed the jail, destroying a wall. Scores of Iraqi prisoners escaped with the two soldiers, they said. - http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht.../20/wirq20.xml
    DEFENCE Secretary John Reid is planning to scrap the 25,000-strong police force in southern Iraq and replace it with a new military-style unit capable of maintaining law and order.
    Reid ordered a root-and-branch review of security in the troubled province following last week's disastrous clashes between British troops and Iraqi police. - http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com...?id=1990832005
    Attitudes in Basra towards British troops shifted sharply last week....
    ...In the days immediately following last Monday's violent clashes between British troops and rioters, 2nd Lt Gerald Johnston has found he and his men have a lot of explaining to do.... - http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle314978.ece
    The officer who commanded the operation to rescue two SAS troopers in Basra refused last night to apologise for his actions and promised to do the same again if British soldiers' lives were in danger...
    ...His defiance came as it emerged that the Iraqis are now demanding the arrest of the two freed men, in addition to an official apology and compensation for the damage to the jail where the soldiers had been held.... http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...portaltop.html
    The Shia militia accused of taking two SAS soldiers hostage in Basra this week sought to stoke growing anti-British sentiment in southern Iraq yesterday by accusing London of masterminding terrorist attacks in the country. http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht.../23/wirq23.xml
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from mwbeah
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    The soldiers were detained and then they were given to "militia" AKA insurgents....

    The story is on BBC websites.

    I have reviewed many of your postings, make sure you get the "Right" and "Left" views and then tell your stories or voice your concerns. That way you are prepared for debate.

    Mike
    I often post articles on topics that are not covered on television news. Not to debate but so fellow ALLNURSES.COM members can choose to read, respond, rebute, or ignore. Many many of my posts are never responded to so just drop off the page. That is OK.

    I am not preparing to debate. When making the attempt I am called on my hypocrisy by a fellow poster and then apologise.
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Sep 25, '05
  10. by   Roy Fokker
    Out of deference to the soldiers and their families - can we please edit out the direct photos and substitute them with links instead (with a warning about the graphic nature of the material).
  11. by   mwbeah
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Out of deference to the soldiers and their families - can we please edit out the direct photos and substitute them with links instead (with a warning about the graphic nature of the material).
    Will do later today Roy, You know me, I am always coming to the defense of soldiers. I hate this stuff that the military is "up to no good".

    Again, many people jump to conclusions and the military is "bad"...... Just want people to think before they speak.

    I am sure they have relatives (somewhere along the line) that are or have been in the service and they [collective of U.S citizens] shouldn't forget that because of U.S. soldiers and their allies they are afforded the opportunity to sleep peacefully and comfortable night after night.

    WWII atrocities by Axis powers........... now there is something to be upset about.
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...ixnewstop.html

    Police infiltrators hold Basra in grip of terror

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