Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh house of worship


    o sad. This is so senseless.
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  3. by   TopazLover
    How can you even respond. They are still dealing with the movie shootings, done by one pathetic man who may have been delusional and even possibly so mentally ill that his reality is not fron our world. Now 4 gunmen who are shooting police and those in services.

    I cannot wrap my head a man who is killing worshipers. Now 4 of them. sickening.
  4. by   Tragically Hip
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Now 4 of them. sickening.
    Now 6 dead, plus more who are injured and still receiving treatment.

    The gunman was killed. We may never know is motive, whether he went insane, or what.

    He had a 9 mm semiautomatic gun and at least one magazine that could hold plenty of bullets.
  5. by   martinml
    Living in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and waking up to and watching this news has me so sad. All I am asking is "What can I do?" The members from the temple seem so nice, have given forgiveness, and are wondering when the can pray again. Amazing! I just wonder if we'll ever know the motive.
  6. by   TheCommuter
    Shootings of Sikh Indians spiked after the September 11th attacks because misinformed people thought they looked like Muslims from the Middle East. Any loss of innocent life is tragic.
  7. by   TopazLover
    I hear you, Commuter, and I still don't get it. Most Muslims are peaceful people. Most Christians are, also. But we see many Christians doing killings of other religions as well as use other criteria for reasons to kill.. I understand you were not excusing, only seeking some reasonable explanation. I can't find one. Hate is hate and needs to be called that. "Misinformed" leads me to believe that if they were correct in assuming the identity of people then the killing would be justified. I understand that is not your feeling.
  8. by   JDZ344
    Oh my goodness. What a tragedy. Prayers for those affected
  9. by   kcmylorn
    All these shootings has me wondering. Were people so quick to shoot masses of people like this years ago? I think people were more firmly planted in reality, more solidly glued together back then.

    The batman movie shootings has me so baffled- Batman and the Joker have been around since 1963-1964. I know, I remember watching it back then as a kid on a black and white TV with rabbit ears. No one ever picked up an arsenel of guns and bullits and shot people over it.

    How can one not know the difference between one group of religious and another with all the computer search engines out there today?
    How can one make such a uneducated assumption now a days?

    How can an insignificant thing like a batman charater make some one flip? How can you not know that doing something like this is going to get you either dead or in jail for the rest of your life. Why would you even make them your choices in your life. No one gets away with this stuff.
  10. by   TopazLover
    In this lastest case it was a hate crime. No one is talking about possible loss of reality or psychotic thinking. I do feel bad about those who have psychiatric illness that casues them to be afraid and act out in dangerous ways. Almost all people with psychiatric illness are non-violent. They do not have the psychic energy to do the things that many who hate do.

    I think we need to look at the hate mongers and those who have history of bullying as potential threats to those who are in any minority. It can be a religious, nationality, sexual orientation, cultural, or any number of other things that haters find as different from themselves. There are lots of resources out there about the dangers of hate groups.

    In this last case the shooter has been on a watch list since 2010.

    I don't know how to stop hate except by pointing out all the things we see and those who fund hate groups. We need to recognize that not everything with a Christian label is really Christian. White Supremacists are an example of this. Cathy's funding of hate groups is another. Westboro Baptist Church looks that this as vengence by God for them not being able to picket veterans funerals anymore.
    Hate is hate. It is without purpose or definition. One cannot find reason for these things.
    We cannot be silent about this topic. It is too dangerous.
  11. by   TheCommuter
    Several reports out this morning indicate that Wade Michael Page, the army veteran who is suspected of killing six and injuring three at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, WI, over the weekend, was a white supremacist and a “skinhead.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Page — who was killed in a firefight with police — even played in a white-power band that had ties to neo-Nazis.
    Hate Groups | ThinkProgress
  12. by   tewdles
    Truth was spoken here...hate is hate and needs to be called that. When religious groups "preach" on intolerance there will be those who interpret that in any religion...we see the aftermath of that globally and the USA is certainly not immune to the ignorant behavior that such teaching and preaching may promote.
  13. by   VickyRN
    It is alarming that we have now witnessed two of these mass-shooting events in such a short time in 2012. This does not bode well for the future of our nation, and signals a downward descent into increasing crazed violence, polarization, hatred, anger, envy, and anarchy. It almost seems like our entire nation is a smoldering powder keg. Just one little match is all that is needed to light the fuse. Our thin veneer of civilization is quickly being eroded away.
  14. by   ElvishDNP
    seventy years ago, over 120,000 japanese americans, including my family, were rousted from our homes and sent to internment camps because we happen to “look” like the people who bombed pearl harbor. today, sikhs are targeted because their headdress happens to resemble turbans commonly associated with arabs. these impulses are not disconnected; they are part of a tragic continuum in which whole groups people are viewed as the “enemy” because of how they look or act.

    there are no easy answers here, and my heart aches for the families and victims and the senselessness of the killings. what i do know is this: each of us bears a responsibility to reject hate, whatever its form, whatever its justification. a soul filled with hate can devastate a community. a nation filled with hate can devastate a people. it must start and end with each of us[font=lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif].
    reject hate. - allegiance

    i love george takei.