Sheehan: 'I Have to Pay My Bills, Too' - page 10

"9/28/2005 Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan recently signed on with a speakers' bureau, and her appearance on the lecture circuit drew mixed reaction Tuesday night, especially from her younger... Read More

  1. by   Roy Fokker
    Well,for every Erich Remarque... there is an Ernst Junger.

    Would it be sweet and honourable to die for Iraq under Saddam?

    Is there a difference?
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Well,for every Erich Remarque... there is an Ernst Junger.

    Would it be sweet and honourable to die for Iraq under Saddam?

    Is there a difference?
    Yes Roy, a huge difference. Huge.

    steph
  3. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from stevielynn
    Grannynurse - you are right that losing a child is full of heartache but you cannot speak for every parent. A local man lost his son in Iraq a few weeks ago and there was an interview with him in our newspaper, where he spoke proudly of his son's decision to re-enlist. He also said his son did the right thing, that it was honorable and brave and that his son is his hero.

    Some parents do think it honorable.

    steph
    It is his right to feel that way. However, I do not feel that there is anything honorable or sweet, in losing a love one, in any war, no matter how honorable or just or unjust and dishonorable a war is. And I am speaking from the tradition of a parent's and brother's career military service and my own. It may be a brave and honorable tradition but it is a senseless loss of life, lost in an unjust and unwarrented war. I really do not know Bush's true reasons for starting this Iraq war. I do know the reasons he has offered, at various times, and found them very wanting. If anything, his war has provided additional excuses to terrorists, to attack us, attack innocents, both here, in other countries and Iraq.

    Grannynurse
  4. by   Mkue
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    "Democracies are notoriously prone to withdrawing from conflict."

    In fact, Goering and his ilk COUNTED on that in the run up to WWII.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    yes, notoriously prone to withdraw
  5. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    If anything, his war has provided additional excuses to terrorists, to attack us, attack innocents, both here, in other countries and Iraq.Grannynurse
    As if they needed an excuse. The fanatic's definition of Islam has 3 goals: conversion, subjugation, or elimiination.

    We are a predominately Christian nation. That was all the excuse they ever needed.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  6. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from stevielynn
    Yes Roy, a huge difference. Huge.

    steph
    How? To the Iraqi under Saddam, it was indeed sweet and honourable to die for his country - liberating 'occupied Kuwait' which has historically always been a part of Iraq. So was it honourable for them goose stepping Nazis to win precious lebensraum.

    Is it still sweet and honourable to die for your country when the consequences of your actions are immoral?

    Adolf Hitler was a German nationalist of the first sort - it was Germany and the Germans and noone else! So was Bismarck. Why, some may argue that nationalism is indeed collectivism of the ultimate sort - Theres nothing to be proud or ashamed about your country and history, only your personal actions count.

    Or does sweet and honourable and nationalism only count depending on the cause you fight for?

    To some of our fellow posters -- I realise that the questions I ask might seem harsh, cruel - blasphemous even.

    But please try to understand: I am only trying to think. Sometimes, one cannot think clearly by one self, especially if they donot have the added benefit of years, age and experience. I merely ask others when in reality I'm questioning myself. I am after all 21 years old - I barely know goo from poo.
  7. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from Mkue
    yes, notoriously prone to withdraw
    Because most democracies don't believe in wars of offense....

    ... NONE have shrunk from wars of defence...
  8. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    As if they needed an excuse. The fanatic's definition of Islam has 3 goals: conversion, subjugation, or elimiination.

    We are a predominately Christian nation. That was all the excuse they ever needed.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    In your part of the country, we may hold the majority but not in other parts. And I never realized that it was our Christian duty to start an unprovoked war, at least that is not what my religious teachings and bekiefs have taught me. Mr. Bush is just looking for excuses. He has yet to realize that many Americans are not falling for his line of bull. And questioning his reasons, more and more closely. Too bad Congress didn't question them a lot sooner.

    Grannynurse
  9. by   mwbeah
    Quote from grannynurse fnp student
    mr. bush is just looking for excuses.
    "government officials said that in the last couple of days, a c.i.a.-f.b.i. operation in iraq had taken two people there into custody in an effort to disrupt the plot. the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details are classified, said the plot appeared to involve a dozen or so people in an effort to plant explosives in the subway system around the middle of this month. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/06/ny...rssnyt&emc=rss
  10. by   Mkue
    I'm not surprised Mike..the subway would be an easy target for suicide bombers.
  11. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    I didn't use the word 'all' - as was pointed out, I made a generalization - that the far left believe that America is instrinsically evil. I will submit that that doesn't apply to all members of the far left - but to a good number of them.

    You need look no further than all the hollywood 'I'll leave this country' garbage. I always take that as an additional incentive to vote against thier wishes.

    I can point to many of Cindy's comments that would sufficiently allow me to make the above characterization about her - not because i'm presuming to speak her thoughts - but because I'd be repeating them. Let's start with "America is not worth dying for."

    I ever so not humbly disagree.

    But let me point out that it wasn't my intent to make that generalization about you, specifically. You're right, except for what you post here, I don't know your thoughts.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    In post #92, you presume to tell us what the far left think. I continue to be confused as to what qualifications you may have to tell us that "they" think America is an intrinsically evil place. I don't buy it, and considering how coherent and intrinsically fair your posts typically are, I don't understand why it was necessary to take what I consider to be such a cheap shot.
  12. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from mwbeah
    "government officials said that in the last couple of days, a c.i.a.-f.b.i. operation in iraq had taken two people there into custody in an effort to disrupt the plot. the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details are classified, said the plot appeared to involve a dozen or so people in an effort to plant explosives in the subway system around the middle of this month. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/06/ny...rssnyt&emc=rss
    in case you missed the latest newscast, not any of my former fellow new yorkers are as worried as you appear to be. i'm not concerned. i would ride the subway tomorrow if i still lived in the city. it takes a great deal more then some unconfirmed terrorist threats to scare me or my fellow new yorkers.

    grannynurse
  13. by   Mkue
    Okay well there may be some who would blame the Gov't for not warning them or not doing enough to prevent a bombing. I would just consider ourselves warned.

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