Seeking opinions reguarding religion and the terrorist

  1. Something is gnawing at me and has been since Tuesday's nightmare. I was raised Southern Baptist, but don't really claim any one religion. I prefer simply Christianity. I was raised to believe God wants us to be forgiving and prayerful for our enemies. I've watched all the media coverage since Tuesday and have heard thousands people speak of prayer and revenge. I've witnessed hundreds of religious leaders speaking. My question is this. Not one time have I heard one person say a word about praying for the souls of the terrorist killed and for those who are left. I believe that through prayer, all things are possible. Why are we not being encouraged to pray for the hearts and souls of these evil persons?

    I don't want this thread to turn into a pro/anti war thread. I'm not saying I'm opposed to war, although I'm not confident we will solve anything with it, I'm also at a loss as to any other solution. My questions here are merely based on curiousity and a desire to gain religious knowledge.
    Last edit by nurs4kids on Sep 26, '01
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  3. by   fergus51
    I got choked up when I read this post. I guess most people are not as able to consider these terrorists as human beings. They've become some sort of monsters. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, it's something I hadn't even thought about. I hope more people think like you and react with compassion and temperance rather than hate.
  4. by   nurs4kids
    Thanks fergus for the unwarranted credit. The human side of me feels as most do, I want to seek and destroy. But, I do have a big heart and I feel pain for the enemy. I can only imagine the life these people must be leading to push them to resort to such hatred. I just like to look at the big picture..and it isn't very pretty right now.
  5. by   Q.
    Tracy -

    South'rn Baptist?? Well that 'plains alot 'bout ya'll.

    HA.
    Actually, I'm Catholic, and in my church our pastor actually did mention praying for those who have turned to evil. Now me personally? I participated in the prayer because I am a human being, but lately, in private, I tend to focus my prayers on those lives that were lost. But that is just me.


    But I understand what you are saying.

    But, I also believe in free will, so a part of me believes that praying for those "lost souls" won't do any good but perhaps make ME feel better.

    Take care, Trace. See ya around.
  6. by   AppyHorseFan
    Nurs4Kids,
    I too was raised Southern Baptist...and still associate with this religion. I had wondered the exact same thing...no one is praying for these lost souls of the terrorists. I prayed for them Tuesday night, but honestly, since the shock has worn off and I become more angry as more bodies are pulled from the rubble...I can't seem to bring myself to pray for them now. Perhaps after your bringing this to our attention...I will try again tonight before closing my eyes to pray for them.

    God Bless Everyone And Keep You Safe,
  7. by   Nittlebug
    I believe the terrorists were raised from the time of early childhood to believe in one and only one world view. They were probably told their god would only accept one way of life and they would only go to heaven if they lived strictly by the book, by the laws or rules of that religion. Sound familiar?

    Any religion out there has similar world views. I was raised by christian parents and was told many of the same things.

    I believe the terrorists were taught (brain washed) from childhood just like the rest of us to follow one set of laws. I appologize if I offend any christians out there. I too was taught to live by the bible because it is "God's word" just like muslim's are taught to live by the Koran because it too is holy and sacred. I do not believe there is a magical God somewhere or a Hell. I do not believe a God somewhere planned this for some mysterious reason. I do believe we have the power within us to make changes for the better in our country and in the middle east.

    The difference is that our society (mostly) is highly educated and we know in order to keep our 1st ammendment rights we need to be tolerant of others. We also value and appreciate our differences because they make us a stronger country. Areas with poor education have higher incidences of hate crimes and racism.

    We need to educate the people in the mid-east. Teach them to respect differences and to solve their problems with words and debates instead of violence. Teach them other world views, sociology and psychology. Give them the tools they so desperately need to create a peaceful society. Otherwise history will repeat itself.
  8. by   aimeee
    Originally posted by Nittlebug
    Any religion out there has similar world views.
    This may depend on how you define religion, Nittlebug, but there are spiritual groups which do not follow those exclusionary doctrines. If you feel any need to join with others with like viewpoints, contact me.

    I am skeptical that we can educate others into tolerance and acceptance when they have been taught intolerance and hatred from birth. It would be nice if it did work though.
    Last edit by aimeee on Sep 16, '01
  9. by   aimeee
    Just found this on another board, and I realize this is moving away from the original thread a bit, but this seems an appropriate place to put this.

    Brahminism
    "This is the sum of duty: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you."
    [Mahabharata 5,1517]
    ~~~~~~~
    Buddhism
    "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."
    [Udana-Varga 5,18]
    ~~~~~~~
    Christianity
    "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law of the prophets."
    [Matthew 7:12]
    ~~~~~~~
    Confucianism
    "Surely it is the maxim of loving-kindness:
    Do not unto others that you would not have them do unto you."
    [Analects 15,23]
    ~~~~~~~~
    Islam
    "No one of you is a believer until he desires
    for his brother that which he desires for himself"
    [Sunnah]
    ~~~~~~~~~
    Judaism
    "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowmen.
    That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary."
    [Talmud Shabbat 31a]
    ~~~~~~~~~
    Taoism
    Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain
    and your neighbor's loss as your own loss."
    [T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien]
    ~~~~~~~
    Wicca
    "n' it harm none, do as ye will."
    [Rede]
    "Any energy you send out will come back threefold."
    [The Law of Three]
    ~~~~~~~
    Zoroastrianism
    "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself."
    [Dadistan-i-dinik 94-5]
  10. by   kewlnurse
    Sorry but the only prayers for those scumbag maggots will be that they rot in the hell fires. I do not want them forgiven because when i go to heaven i don't want them there. While is is true that i may ba A god, i am not THE GOD and i do not forgive everyone. BTW i spent 8 years in Catholic school.
  11. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    The "Islam" that did this is an abomination to any organized islamic religious sect.
    Therefore religion as a philisophical discussion is moot, however tempting to our rightiouse indignation.
    The Taliband's religiouse beliefs are aparently qualified by years (as others have pointed out) of having their humanity stripped away until they reach some point of weakness that would make them willing candidates as martyrs. Commonly referred to as clinical insanity here in the states.

    You can not reason, or teach an insane idividual. Can you?
    You can forgive an insane person though, because they "know not what they do".......................Then you either heavily medicate and incarcerate them, or you execute them.

    which of those two choices sounds like the humane thing to do?
    Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Sep 16, '01
  12. by   Q.
    Originally posted by kewlnurse
    BTW i spent 8 years in Catholic school.
    Poor thing. So did I. I went to church every day but Saturday, but then I went to Saturday confessions. I started my lessons off every day with the Pledge and the Our Father, and still have permanet dents in my knees from kneeling on ceramic floors, praying to statues.

    AND I'm Italian, so almost every thing we do has some sort of religious connotation to it. I believe my mom said about a million novenas for me when I was growing up.
  13. by   joanie71
    I really liked a quote from Gandi that somebody posted on another thread "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

    Here in Australia, mosques have been shot at and muslim women have been spat at on the street. I am absolutly disgusted.......
    Muslim children had to be escorted to school because of "threats" made to there safety,and insults being hurled at them!

    Is'nt this just lovely ...........? Its amazing how many "people" think its there god given right to play judge and juror and condeme people they don't even know because of some bad apples who happan to come from the same ethnic group as them?

    Hatred breeds hatred....... I won't have anything to do with it.
  14. by   wheelie
    This is a very good discussion. The priest at Mass on Sunday reminded us of the words "...forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who trespass against us..."
    Jesus forgave those who sought to crucify him, so we should do the same.
    Much easier said than done.
    Good Luck

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