Religion and Education

  1. Ok, I don't think I saw anyone start a thread about this so here I go. In Oklahoma there is a school district that has suspended a Muslim girl twice because she did not remove her scarf, hijab, from her head due to the school policy about nothing on the head. A lawsuit has been filed as you could guess and the girl is going to be backed the the US government's civil rights lawyers. In France a law was recently passed forbiding the wearing of scarves by Muslim children in the schoolplace and it appears the US is going to do the opposite and allow them. I am not going either way about this as I have mixed emotions as to whether she should be allowed, just wanted to see what you guys thought about it.
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  3. by   TLC RN
    Maybe I am missing the point, but shouldn't she be able to wear it? It is part of her religious practices. It would be like the school saying it is not ok to wear necklaces and having a Catholic child who wore their cross everyday to school have to take it off.
  4. by   Shed13911
    I think she should be allowed to wear it. That is just IMHO!!
  5. by   CashewLPN
    well, take it away for 1, take it all away for all... no crosses, no yarmulkes, no pentacles, no scarves.... no bibles, no korans, no religious clubs on school premises...

    personally, I believe that the students should be able to wear whatever their religion dictates, as long as it does not directly undermine another student's ability to learn...
    (and, if you can tell me how a scarf can do that, I can sell you a bridge a few miles from where I live)

    It'd be like telling devout protestant women that they MUST wear pants, and, telling the Amish to wear zippers, and telling Orthodox jewish men that they must cut their hair.

    it sounds alot like issues we had in my highschool, and former place of work reguarding what can and cant be worn... the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is definately these student's ally...

    France is France, not the United States of America. They're policies and practices towards foreigners will never be like those of the USA... thats not saying they're bad, they're just different...

    Anywhoo... if I'm not mistaken... the first amendment kinda protects the freedom of religion... making each religion equal...

    I'm around
    --Barbara
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Can't believe this is even an issue.
  7. by   Tweety
    I saw a snippet on the news a while back how the French are doing away with the veils. Seems a little discriminatory to me. Many of the girls are horrified at the prospect of night wearing it, and of course their parents are outraged.

    I think it's taking separation of church and state a bit too far and infringing on the rights of the students. But here people can't wear baseball caps tilted a certain way in the malls or school because it signifies a street gang.
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The Mennonite women around here still wear their hair coverings to the local public schools, and to their jobs, so why can't everyone abide by their own religion?
  9. by   eak16
    I agree, headscarves are a non-issue. You would think conservatives/etc. would be happy that girls are actively being modest and are proud of their heritage...
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I agree, considering some the the stuff that gets "worn" in school today!.
  11. by   smk1
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    Can't believe this is even an issue.
    exactly! i want to know what teacher or administrator had enough time on their hands to even open their mouths to get this "issue" going. i have worked in the public school system before, and i don't know one teacher that would open he mouth to start a problem like this when 3 million other valid ones crop up each day!
  12. by   CashewLPN
    Quote from smkoepke
    exactly! i want to know what teacher or administrator had enough time on their hands to even open their mouths to get this "issue" going. i have worked in the public school system before, and i don't know one teacher that would open he mouth to start a problem like this when 3 million other valid ones crop up each day!

    well, I think that the issue happens when people are afraid of something that they dont know about... ie: a few years ago I was working, and my boss came up to me, and said 'Gee, I didnt know you were Jewish' (I USED to wear a tiny penticle necklace all the time. It is a symbol of my faith.) I corrected her and told her, I was not Jewish. She took a closer look at my necklace, gave me a funny, almost horrified look, and went to her office.

    a few days later, I get written up for being out of uniform on a constant basis, due to wearing inappropriate jewelry. Mind you, my regional area is predominantly Roman or Irish Catholic... I am not. She told me quite brashly that displaying my symbol was innapropriate, as being a satan worshipper was not conducive towards being a good nurse... (mind you.. I am not a satan worshiper.. I practice Wicca, and am an ordained minister, not exactly the 'lets kill an animal for its blood so I can cast an evil spell' type of person.)

    I ended up getting the union on my side as well as the ACLU in about 12 hours. it ended VERY quietly. Write up was removed... Manager had to go to classes on Tolerance. She also decided to make my life difficult(but, not so difficult in that she wasnt technically doing anything wrong.) for the few months till I left, which I did do, very gladly.

    Sometimes I think we should set up a way in which we could all LEARN about everyone elses faiths... we dont have to believe in it... but, just get the facts straight, instead of making up strange things in our heads..
  13. by   duckboy20
    [QUOTE]"Sometimes I think we should set up a way in which we could all LEARN about everyone elses faiths... we dont have to believe in it... but, just get the facts straight, instead of making up strange things in our heads"

    Totally agree Yeti!
  14. by   Gompers
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    I agree, considering some the the stuff that gets "worn" in school today!.
    I couldn't agree more. Maybe they should focus on suspending the Brittney Spears lookalikes.

    I was at the mall the other day, and there were two girls who couldn't have been more than 10 years old walking around in tube tops covered in black sequins, with g-strings poking out of their leather hip-huggers! I'm sorry, but who in their right mind lets their children dress like that???

    :angryfire

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