Proper Entry Level for Nursing....

  1. what should the proper entry level to nursing be?

    please agree to disagree without bashing one another's opinions! everyone is entitled to express their opinion based on their own experiences as nurses! thanks in advance for your full cooperation in the spirit of unity as nurses on this thread!

    imho, the best from all nursing programs should be implemented into one nursing program for the training and education of registered nurses, making the entry level to nursing a four year degree in the future.

    until which time that entry level is mandated, steps should be taken now in preparation for the future education of registered nurses. all rns who are still diploma and aas nursing graduates at the time of the newly mandated rns education program [yet to be implemented] should be grandfathered in and given ample time to achieve the degree level mandated.
    Last edit by live4today on Mar 25, '02
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  3. by   VickyRN
    The question is--do you want respect or not???? Can't have it both ways. So tired at being looked at as crazies and bimboes by the media/public (like this weeks' disaster--Law and Order--another nurse "crazy."). Perhaps if a COLLEGE LEVEL entry were the norm for our profession, we would be taken more seriously and qualify to be even named a PROFESSION. Just my opinion, so I'm ducking now....
  4. by   SICU Queen
    Oh my... you're trying to start WWIII

    Personally, I don't care, as long as the nurse passes boards and is competent to give care.

    I can see the benefits of having a 4 year degree, as it gives a well-rounded education, but having observed new graduates of all three types (diploma, ADN, BSN) I think that the diploma and ADN grads are more competent in the clinical aspect of nursing when they are fresh out of school. Knowledge of management skills doesn't provide good nursing care.

    NOW DON'T SHOOT ME FOR SAYING THAT! I know many excellent BSN nurses who I'd have caring for me in a heartbeat, but they've also been nursing for several years and have some experience.

    To sum it up, however, I think one level of education for entry level would be nice, but it'll never happen. Not in a long time anyway. The nursing shortage is severe and getting worse. They're going to be training monkeys soon to pass meds at this rate, and then where will we all be? Arguing over who's more qualified to do patient care...

    Just my opinion (she says while setting up sandbags to hide behond while the verbal bullets fly.)
  5. by   live4today
    No need to "duck" or "hide behind sandbags" on this post gals and guys! As I stated, we are allowed to come to this thread and be nice and disagreeable. Honesty is the best policy, and your honest opinions are warranted here...IMHO. Thanks for your input!

    SKM-Nursiepooh suggested that we should have had this thread a zillion posts ago since the RNs were using the "What's your opinion about LPNs" thread as the place to air their feelings regarding "proper entry level to nursing", so I told SKM-NURSIEPOOH that I would initiate a thread for this purpose so the LPNs could stop feeling "put upon and badgered" by the RNs. Sure hope this is how this post is received! It is not intended for more badgering of our nurses, but for an honest evaluation of our educational system in the training and educating of registered nurses, and where we should go in the future as well as WHY we should bother to change things as they are today. So, share your little hearts out nurses!
    Last edit by live4today on Mar 25, '02
  6. by   Hooligan here's my question...let's say someone has a Bachelor's degree in a non-nursing field...then what? Frankly, I don't want to get my BSN and I don't feel any burning desire or need to! I do plan on gettin my MSN at some point but I can do that without obtaining my BSN. Furthermore, there are people out there who can't afford to spend 4 years (at least) in school and it's a darn good thing that there are 2 year programs out there. Believe me, there is no way I'd be able to become an RN without my ADN program. Based on a lot of what I've read on this board, I have noticed that nursing is a field that is often times persued as a second career and often time by people who have children and family obligations. Many of these people, (myself includes sans the children) cannot afford the cut to one salary while still paying a mortgage and bills and keeping food on the table. Furthermore, another large percentage of the nursing students in my program are single mothers and without this ADN program they could not afford to go to college. I believe that the ADN programs have a definate place in the Nursing field. It is one of the few programs that is accessible to people who don't have a lot of money set aside for education. It allows you to get your education in a practical field that will pay a decent salary when all is said and done. I in now way mean that the BSN program is not worthwhile to persue but I do mean that it should not be the ONLY way!

  7. by   Huganurse
    Last edit by Huganurse on Jun 30, '02
  8. by   fergus51
    I don't see why nursing is the only profession with so many points of entry. It would be simpler and easier if there were just one. I also don't know why we wouldn't value extra education.
  9. by   mario_ragucci
    (Mario drops a smart bomb)

    Honestly, I am ready to be a nurse right now! However, I will have to half-step with a program for two years before I receive my RN. The motivation and experience levels of my fellow students are all different. Some students will have an additude of "just tell me exactly what I have to do to pass the nclex" and others will think "I wonder what it's like to actually apply this to real people."
    Of course, there is a great deal of theory which must be mastered before you can begin to learn equipment. In the case of nursing, the equipment supports, improves and protects human life. Everyone should be looking at it the same way, right?
    People are the best teachers, and judges. The best nurses should train and be responsible for who becomes a nurse. Test scores test your theoritical abilities. People are not theories. How can you test student's ability to care? The nurses with 20+ years should be doing a "brain dump" with us students, as well as the instructors who are best academic teachers. How can you make discipline a prerequisite to nursing?
  10. by   Aide
    Good day nurses,

    I agree with several of you. In most professions a bachelors degree is the minimum requirement for employment. Nursing is an exception because nursing is a craft. You are trained to perform as a nurse. I work under a diploma RN and she is fantastic. She does not have a college degree and the LPNs I work under earned certificates in nursing. I do grit my teeth a little when one of those ladies says, "I did not go to school to do aid work". I feel like saying No kidding you didn't go to school. I mean go to school in a university academia program. I do realize that there are several RNs who are BSNs and they did put in the time to obtain a professional education. ( My stance is this.) If you want to be considered an educated person in todays society at the minimum earn your BA/BS degree. You can be a competent, bright and very successful nurse with out that degree. However if you are going to argue and debate education you better have some letters behind your name and I'm not referring to RN or LPN.
  11. by   Q.
    Originally posted by fergus51
    I don't see why nursing is the only profession with so many points of entry. It would be simpler and easier if there were just one. I also don't know why we wouldn't value extra education.
    And..along those lines...why out of all the health care professionals we work with, such as Dieticians, Respiratory Therapists, Social Workers, Pharmacists, Physical Therapists and Occupational Therapists, who all require a Bachelor's degree to work, nursing is the only one that finds itself special enough to not require a BS also?

    Why do nurses feel that they are exempt from this Health Care standard?
  12. by   AnaH
    Just a few questions? If you get your ASN, and after graduation decide to go for a BSN, Can you use some of the credits from your Associate Degree or would you have to start again? Also what is a Diploma Nurse? I'm going back to school this Fall to get my pre-reqs and I am so confused w/ all the differents points of entry in nursing.

    Thanks , Ana
  13. by   fairyprincess2003
    Hey there
    I don't know aboutthe pre-reqs, I think you have to take those, but I am in a BSN program, and there are many in the program who have their Ass. RN, they have to take some classes with us, but I know for a fact they are exempt from some. So I am sure some of the Nursing classes will count. Good luck
  14. by   bassbird
    I am graduating from an ADN program in 53 days (but who's counting ). I do have a B.A. already, and was eligible to complete a BSN program here in 2 years. Why didn't I? Cost! My tuition for the ADN program is ~$1,500/year (8 credits/semester) vs $15,000 at the BSN program. I would estimate that half of my class hold degrees, but chose the ADN route for the same reason.

    I do believe that we would be taken more seriously as a profession if we had to have a BSN, but as I stated before cost is a big factor. We need more affordable schools! It is also next to impossible to complete a 2 year ADN program in 2 years, and I would not recommend trying. I believe all programs need to have more clinical time (unless you happen to be attending Brandy's program ).