Prevarications.....

  1. .....And the Prevaricating Prevaricators who Tell Them

    Interesting, for all the concern about the dishonesty of George Bush, not a peep on this board about this little story:

    http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion...d=3835&format=

    It seems Kerry has berated those of us who are irresponsible enough, immoral enough to own SUV's. We are such selfish, gas guzzling, jerks. Of course, he owns a Suburban. But that isn't "his," it's the "family's" vehicle. But, that's not all. From the article:

    "At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600 Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M (26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the latter two.

    Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a Gulfstream II private jet (hers).

    President Kerry would have to open his own pipeline in Saudi Arabia just to meet family fuel demand."

    Would someone please tell me again why this guy is more trustworthy than Bush? Or why he is more "a man of the people" than Bush?

    Kevin McHugh
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  2. 65 Comments

  3. by   gwenith
    Kevin - sorry but I for one am very sick and tired of the perpetual mudslinging. Why can't you debate the issues instead of standing in moral judgement???
  4. by   kmchugh
    Quote from gwenith
    Kevin - sorry but I for one am very sick and tired of the perpetual mudslinging. Why can't you debate the issues instead of standing in moral judgement???
    Gwenith

    I don't understand. Why is the honesty of this man not an issue? It would appear to me that he believes that he is above the rules he would impose on the rest of us. Does that not seem like an issue?

    Or how about this: He tells us one thing, but lives another entirely. Is that not an issue? Many of the vehicles "his family" owns are not for transportation, but rather for personal entertainment. Is that not an issue? Why is it mudslinging to check to see if the man lives up to his own standards? I believe I posted a thread to this very idea not long ago.

    Kevin McHugh
  5. by   Mkue
    Sadly, Kerry does believe he is "above the rules" Kevin.

    We demand honesty in a sitting President but not someone who is seeking that office.

    Kerry's honesty is not an issue on this forum and sadly not in the US either.
    Last edit by mkue on May 16, '04
  6. by   kmchugh
    The fact is I'm not slinging mud. I'm comparing the man's words to his actions to make a judgement about his suitability to hold the office of the president.

    Kevin McHugh
  7. by   gwenith
    Kevin Please I just do not understand why NO ONE is talking about the actual issues. What do these people intend to do and how are they going to achieve it.
  8. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from gwenith
    Kevin Please I just do not understand why NO ONE is talking about the actual issues. What do these people intend to do and how are they going to achieve it.
    That would require intelligence in our prospective leaders.....something that gets sucked out of them upon entering the Capital building.
  9. by   gwenith
    Carolina I think it is either a cultural thing or a product of our kind of goverment but we seem to focus WAAAAY more on issues. They brought down the new budget here the other day - tax refunds and lots of sweeties for the voters - poll today maintains that the average Aussie remains "unmoved" and sceptical about the budget.

    As I have said before - we tend to ignore the character of the incumbent because we sort of believe that all politicians are crooks and we just try to pick the most honest crook.
  10. by   Mkue
    Quote from gwenith
    Please I just do not understand why NO ONE is talking about the actual issues. What do these people intend to do and how are they going to achieve it.
    It's difficult to discuss the other issues at times because we don't always know what Kerry will say day to day about a particular issue. I think honesty is an important factor in this election. It's our duty to question the honesty of a potential President and as Kevin mentioned "suitability to hold the office of the President".
  11. by   Jaaaman
    Quote from gwenith
    Kevin Please I just do not understand why NO ONE is talking about the actual issues. What do these people intend to do and how are they going to achieve it.
    But Gwenith, it is an issue. If part of his "platform" is his stand against gas guzzling SUV's and like vehicles, he is being a hypocritical liar. That would negate his "platform" on that issue.
  12. by   Energizer Bunny
    Gwenith...even though it seems as though most aren't, I am with you!
  13. by   jnette
    Agree. I DO think it's something worth looking at... and while I'm far from being a fan of Kerry's, I just can't make myself feel ok about another 4 years of Bush. There are MANY Kerry platforms I do NOT like... and still, I must HOPE against hope (?) that this change would make SOME things better.

    It DOES suk, that as Carolladybelle said... " intelligence in our prospective leaders..... is something that gets sucked out of them upon entering the Capital building."

    Nor do I believe that ANY of them are totally honest and forthcoming. Guess some lies are more tolerable than others.. hate that it has to be this way, but that's the reality of it.
  14. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Gwenith......................

    Such is USA politics...........Rhetoric such as this is typical in election years, on "both" sides of the bipartisan aisle.. Expect MUCH more of this sort of thing.....and then once the election is over, listen to moaning from the "side" that loses.

    AHHHHHHHHHHHH gotta love bipartisan politics!

    Yea RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. ugh.

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