Pope calling on catholic politicians to obey him

  1. Up here in Canada, the government plans on legislating gay marriages and 2 provinces are already allowing the marriages. Now, the catholic church has made its stand on homosexuality pretty clear, but I am very offended that the Pope would call on Catholic politicians to oppose this new legislation. Since when does the Catholic Church dictate Canadian policy? Both our current prime minister and our most likely future prime minister are catholics, and I find it disturbing that the church would ask them to put their personal religious beliefs above their responsibility to their constituents.
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  3. by   caroladybelle
    Well, down here in the States, we have Pat Robertson asking people to pray to turn the minds and hearts of the Supreme Court from their ways (presumably evil).

    What is it with people who seek freedom of religion, yet deny freedom of sexual preference?

    Theoretically, if a church preaches preferred political candidates, I believe that they can (and should) lose tax exempt status. However, there are legal ways to "encourage" parisheners to do "the right thing" that basically accomplish the same thing.

    This is also not a new thing. In the 1970s, several female politicians were excommunicated/ or threatened with excommunication for their stands on abortion rights/funding for planned parenthood/ERA.

    If you are offended and you are Catholic, are you willing to stand up to the Pope? Very few people are. And as I am not Catholic, I cannot speak one way or another. But when people of conscience stop funding beliefs/churches/leaders that do not reflect their beliefs, that is when significant change will occur.
  4. by   itsme
    What happened to separation of church and state? I just feel that a persons sexual preference is no bodys business, and if they want to get married then they should have that right, and if they break up, they can get a divorce, same as heterosexuals. I guess I just dont see the problem??
  5. by   prmenrs
    What's the link for that info? I'd like to read it. thanks.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    sigh

    don't get me started on how I feel about the Catholic church.

    I won't go there. But I will just say it's wrong.

    What people do in their bedrooms is their business to me.
  7. by   roxannekkb
    When John Kennedy was running for president, everyone was screaming about how the pope was suddenly was going to be involved in governing the U.S.

    That didn't happen of course, but it does bother me when people try to mix religion and politics. I mean, what if the pope or some other religious leader started called on politicians to obey the Bible literally, and start stoning people who work on the Sabbath and commit adultery?

  8. by   fergus51
    http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/i...064502_47.html

    This is just one link, there are plenty if you google. I am not a practising Catholic (about half of my family is, mainly the older members on my dad's side). I don't care about their stance on the issue although I disagree with it. I think Catholics have the right to believe whatever they choose on this issue, jut like I do. What offends me is the notion that catholic politicians are supposed to obey the Vatican. This is not a Catholic country, it is a VERY diverse one and it just brings out those old stereotypes from the JFK days. In addition a bishop from Alberta said that our prime minister might be jeopardizing his eternal salvation, when he has never met him before.

    Canadians tend to be VERY sensitive to the mixing of religion and politics and it's one of the things that freaks us out about the US. I am one of those people. I can not even imagine a Canadian prime minister praying in Public or using the religious language that George Bush uses. It just doesn't happen here, except maybe in Alberta.
    Last edit by fergus51 on Aug 1, '03
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    I don't think it was issued as a "Infallible Doctrine".
    Unless that is claimed it is opinion only so the laws of a country are not the same as those of the Church.
    I think this may help gay couples get the same legal rights without the term "marriage". That would be a plus.
  10. by   maureeno
    I have left the Church and returned
    many times....

    social justice teachings and activities
    have always pulled me back

    but there is no justice in denying love
    and if two people want to make a family
    society is the better for their commitment


    the Vatican has been wrong before
    in this instance
    my conscience [informed and examined]
    rejects their notion of 'common good'


    from the Catechism:
    1777 Moral conscience,[48] present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.[49] It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking
    2106 "Nobody may be forced to act against his convictions, nor is anyone to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience in religious matters in private or in public, alone or in association with others, within due limits."[34]



    ps
    I don't understand why President Bush
    needs lawyers to look into 'marriage'
    on September 10, 1996
    'marriage' was defined for federal purposes
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9609/10/gay.marriage/
  11. by   Disablednurse
    I will probably make a lot of people mad, but I do not agree with same sex marriages as the Bible speaks against this. I believe that the biggest problem with our government is when we kicked God out and did not include him in our governmental decisions. He is a big part of my life and all of my decisions. I will not push Him on anyone else, though. Some places allow same sex couples to share benefits with each other, but couples that are of the opposite sex cannot have this same privilege. This is one of the things that I have a problem with. I do not agree with homosexuality, I believe that it is wrong. However, I have friends who are homosexuals and let them practice what they believe. I do, however, hold that what is said in the Bible is true, marriage is between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Please do not flame me as these are just my own personal beliefs.
  12. by   fergus51
    Disablednurse, like I said, I don't care what an individual's beliefs are. I disagree with you completely, but that's not a big deal. My problem is a church telling it's members that they risk their eternal salvation if they go against the church in their political careers. They were not elected to be good catholics, they were elected to represent the people that voted for them! The funny thing is, the man that decriminalized gay sex here was a catholic.

    We don't have the same type of religion/political mixing that you do in the States, and frankly, that's how I like it. I am not interested in foisting religious doctrine on the people, and denying gays marriage rights in this country would be just that. We have a charter of rights and freedoms that says our laws cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation. That's exactly what banning gay marriages is (according to the courts here). Being against homosexuality is a matter of taste and we don't have the right to legislate taste if it is discriminatory. The Bible doesn't play a big part in public political life here. The best thing I heard was in response to the idea that gay unions would cause a decline in morality in the country: the answer was heterosexuals have already done a pretty good job of that
  13. by   VivaLasViejas
    I too have a problem with the use of the word "marriage" to describe a same-sex union, although I have absolutely no objection to gay couples being afforded the same legal protections and status in the community as the rest of us. I'm Catholic (OK, not exactly practicing, but Catholic nonetheless) and I was taught that marriage is a *sacrament*, rather than a civil arrangement geared toward promoting a stable society. There are other perfectly acceptable terms for the official recognition of a commitment between same-sex couples, and I think it's an idea whose time has come. I've worked in OB a lot, and I couldn't care less if Heather has two mommies or two daddies---if they love her and take good care of her, it's better than having hetero parents who take drugs or beat up on each other or bring home different "uncles" every week, isn't it?
  14. by   fergus51
    I also found it ironic that they termed gay parents as being abusive to children..... Hmmmm.... as opposed to enabling child molesters to sexually assault children for years? I think they might want to clean up their own house before saying something like that. As far as marriage being a sacrament between men and women, I'll find that a more compelling argument when our divorce rate falls below 50%.

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