Police State

  1. I'm starting to belive we have a lot less to worry about from foreign terrorists than we do from ourselves.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html

    For those of you who want to kept safe by others. I know this will never happen to you. Because you won't complain about unreasonable search, it's for your own good. You won't complain about your loss of free speech, after all you can still speak freely in the privacy of your own bathrrom, if you're in the shower.

    We have become a nation of sheep, and when I see things like this occur I despair. Gary
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  2. 21 Comments

  3. by   l.rae
    yeah...l believe everything l read on the internet too....... speaking of sheep............LR
  4. by   cmggriff
    OOOOO...... that hurt! I think you left a mark. I'll go check for bleeding. Gary
  5. by   2banurse
    God, that's horrid!!! I feel speechless...not because I can't believe that it happened, but just the idea of it.
  6. by   sbic56
    Did this guy overreact just a tad? Maybe. Did the stress or whatever of the incident cause the baby to turn breech. No way. Do some in law enforcement abuse their authority? Definitely and unfortuanately nothing new. Most everyone has some story of justice gone wrong. We ARE sheep if we don't continue to insist that sometimes the police need policing. Whenever authority is given, there will be some idiot who will abuse said authority; I'm not at all suprised that some puffed up airport inspector did just that. I do have a huge problem withthe fact that there was no evidence against this guy and that he was "spared" by receiving "only" a $250 fine. That's pure bullshyt.
  7. by   Q.
    Gary!
    Oh my god I read the article and just when I thought it was over, it kept getting worse and worse! I had to read it to my husband because this is his worst nightmare; being held prisoner when in fact, he's innocent. The rage in my husband's eyes were apparent as I read him the account and I can guarantee you, we would have fallen to the same scenario. Why? For the same reason - he would have damn well questioned ANY officer who fondled my breasts, made me pull up my shirt or committed any other physical, unwanted assault on me. That is who he is.

    And in the meantime, we continue this crap on 90 year olds and pregnant women, instead of using some logic and really honing in on what it is we are looking for.

    Is it possible she went breech from this event? Very well possible. Baby's turn breech for any number of reasons, extreme stress or manipulation being one of them.

    Such crap. Gary, thanks for posting this.
  8. by   sanakruz
    He was fined 250.00 for being an idiot. Happens every day.
    He behaved as an entitled, hung- over ass.

    The experience was none the less traumatic for both he and his wife. Why wouldnt this cause the breech presentation? I think maybe it did.

    If he was serious about the injustice of this he would be more willing to spent 4000.00 on an attorney. I would.

    My 2 cents.
  9. by   ShandyLynnRN
    I would have to agree that this was ludicrous for this poor man and his wife to be treated this way, although after 9/11 I can see the paranoia in airport security too. Even if he hadn't specifically said anything wrong, a lot can be taken from facial expression, and if he was as angry as he claimed to be, he may very well have looked intimidating. On the other hand though, I can't understand how the airport reacted afterwords, and why they didn't drop the charges when they found that he was just angry about his wife's breasts being touched, and really did no harm. As far as the "touching of the breasts episode" that is taking it just a little (ok way too) far!!!
  10. by   sbic56
    Susy K & psychnurse.com

    You two are too funny! Do you know how many breech babies there would be if it happened because of a grope and a crying jag? C/S rate would be around 95%!
  11. by   sanakruz
    Ok I'll accept that.
    But the Whole thing- being stopped searched strong armed humiliated and then youre SO being detained-Dont you agree thats more trauma then the average gavid woman in the US is exposed to?
    I realize people live in poverty and with domestic violence on a daily basis. But in my experience one person's everyday ho-hum life is another's crisis intervention day. So you are saying this would not be a possibility?
  12. by   sbic56
    Chances are slim to none. What this guy describes is not that traumatic. That baby in utero is better prtected than alot of people think. I'd say nearly all women receive this type of jostling during a pregnacy. It may occur by tripping or a fall, an MVA or the dog knocking her down, etc. Her emotional upset will not cause the baby to spontaneously turn either.

    Still, those inspectors were nothing more than a bunch of thugs...
  13. by   sanakruz
    Gotcha!
  14. by   kmchugh
    Hmmmm. I am also very concerned about how airport screening is being done. We are so worried about not appearing to be "profiling" that we are searching 75 year old grandmothers, while 28 year old Arab men with one way tickets are walking through. And the level of training the new federal screeners are getting worries me too. There are people, many people in fact, attracted to exactly this kind of position because of the perceived "power" it gives them over others. Having said all that, I wonder about this story.

    I think the press in this country is highly tuned to just this kind of event. I think if something of this nature had acutally occurred, it would have been all over the news. You would be able to find reference to it in a lot of places, beyond more than just "Lew's Web page." There are a lot of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, willing to make up stories like this just to garner sympathy for thier cause. So, without corroboration, I'm mentally filing this one in the "improbable file."

    Kevin McHugh

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