Parallels between 1941 and 2001

  1. Parallels between 12/7/1941 and 9/11/2001

    In the late 1930's, much of the world was engaged in a violent and terrible war. Yet America, in spite of our strength and resources, was not involved. Instead of engaging in efforts to not stop the carnage, our primary efforts were spent trying to preserve our neutrality. By 1940 hundreds of thousands of people had already died. Axis powers had mercilessly overrun nation after nation as they pursued their goal of world domination. This was an extremely serious time on earth. Indeed, if our enemies had won WWII, they would have undoubtedly persecuted and smothered the spread of true Christianity. Additionally, the Nazis would have sought complete annihilation of the Jews.
    Today, we have another enemy: militant Islam. It, too, seeks world domination. While moderate Muslims denounce the use of terrorism, vast millions of "extremists" follow the "conversion by conquest" example of Islam's greatest leaders. These extremists consider themselves to be Islam's "true believers" and have called for a holy war against infidel nations. This conquer-and-convert means of spreading Islam has brought death and slavery to many in African nations; it has released terrorism in numerous countries; and has brought untold suffering to innocent millions around the world -- and it is spreading rapidly. Yet, we in America have done precious little to restrain this enemy.

    The strike against the U.S. at Pearl Harbor broke the spell of neutrality and awoke fierce and courageous resolve in the USA during the era of the "greatest generation." Likewise, the terrorist acts of September 11th have jarred us awake to the horror of Islamic fundamentalism.
  2. 17 Comments

  3. by   VickyRN
    Yes, the parallels are all-too apparent and very frightening. The "Greatest Generation" paid an unspeakable price to save the world from the terror of their time and to them we owe an enormous debt. The question remains for our generation--how big a price are we willing to pay to save our world from terror so that our children and grandchildren may live in peace and prosperity...???
  4. by   NCNocRN
    They were ordinary people just like us, with families and careers, with dreams for the future. They didn't want to give in to fear and give up on their aspirations and all that makes life dear. They rose to meet the terror of their day with courage and resolve and an indomitable faith in God which carried them through. They were willing to pay the ultimate price (which many did). They didn't fade under the heat, but their courage grew stronger day after day after day. They stayed united and focused on their goal. They didn't stop until the terror of their day was utterly eradicated. We MUST be willing to do the same. Who knows, this may be our generation's calling. What will the future history books write about us? I hope and pray it's equally compelling as what has been recorded about the "Greatest Generation."
  5. by   nurs4kids
    Excellent posts, Joules and Joy!!! I couldn't agree more.
  6. by   fergus51
    I loved that book Carole! It was a real eye opener. It's also interesting to note that the spread of Christianity wasn't exactly gentle either. It's too bad the bad guys don't actually seem to follow the religion they profess to belong to.
  7. by   Joules
    The unspeakable brutality that you mentioned, Carole, however tragic, occurred 400-500 years ago. These events are occurring right now. Our media has chosen to conveniently ignore and we have just not wanted to get involved. Terror is terror, whether in political or religious form.
    Here is a partial list:

    Algeria has been reeling from a war between GIA (Armed Islamic Group - radical Muslim terrorists) and its established government (a more secular Muslim military dictatorship) since 1992. Gruesome reports of entire villages having their throats slit, famous pop singers assassinated for singing Western influenced music, government instigated massacres of regions whose loyalties are suspect - these have left more than 70,000 murdered over the past 9 years. GIA cells are believed to have cooperated in Bin Laden's September 11 attacks.

    Libya is an Islamic dictatorship under Muammar al-Qaddafi. It has been one of the chief training centers for world terrorism, and has executed many attacks such as the bombing of a Berlin discotheque in March 1986 where US solders were murdered, as well as the terrorist bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in December 1988. It has cooperated with Pakistan in the funding and development of an Islamic nuclear bomb, as well as developing chemical warfare abilities. Libya has been a main supporter of such terrorist groups as the Columbian M-19, Red Brigades, IRA, Ahmed Jibril's PFLP, Arafat's PLO etc. In the 1970's Qaddafi awarded Yasir Arafat $5 million in recognition of his terror operation at the 1972 Munich Olympics which led to the massacre of Israeli athletes.

    Egypt's President Sadat was assassinated by terrorists associated with Egyptian Islamic Jihad in October 1981. This group was later co-planner of the World Trade Center bombings in 1993 and seems to have been involved in the September 2001 attack as well. Its top leader was Ayman al-Zawahiri (one of the planners of Sadat's assassination) who now functions as Osama Bin Laden's top deputy for military operations. In the 1950s Egypt originally financed, trained and ran the first terrorist raids of the fedayin, and in 1964 helped establish the PLO as a terrorist organization. Egypt was also the first Islamic country to use poison gas against fellow Muslims in the North Yemen war of 1962-67. The Christian Copts of the Egyptian Nile Valley have been subject to decades of torture, murder, raping and destruction of property on a regular basis, with a blind eye being turned by Muslim authorities.

    Sudan is considered one of world terrorism's main centers. Osama Bin Laden has a strong network in that country. According to the US Grand Jury indictment against Osama Bin Laden, the bombers of the US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es-Salaam, Tanzania were trained and sent out from that country. The Islamic dictatorship 'National Islamic Front' ruling Sudan has been overseeing the massacre, enslavement, rape and murder of the Christian and animist inhabitants of Southern Sudan, forcibly converting survivors and prisoners to Islam. Years ago the NIF proclaimed a jihad against its 'domestic enemy', and since 1983 more than 1.9 million people have been murdered or have been caused to die as a result of the actions of the NIF in southern Sudan and the Nuba mountains.

    Syria and Lebanon are also a world center of terrorism, as well as of opium and hashish cultivation. Between 1975-82 over 100,000 Lebanese were killed in the Lebanese civil war between the PLO, the Shiite and Sunni Muslims, the Druze and the Maronite Christians. In the Syrian-controlled Bekaa Valley the Hezbollah terrorist groups train and send out forces to attack Israel. According to the US State Department's Office of the Coordinator for Counter-terrorism's 2000 report, Syria oversees the following terrorist networks operating and training in Lebanon's Bekaa: Hezbollah, Osama Bin Laden's al-Qa'ida (Arabic, 'The Base') network, Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, George Habash's PFLP-GC, Asbat al-Ansar, and several local Sunni extremist organizations. Other sources would add the names of the Japanese Red Army and the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Syria not only controls Lebanon's terrorist training camps, but allows Islamic terrorists to base out of Damascus. In February 1982 the Syrian city of Hama was subject to a 27 day siege. The Syrian Army under the command of Rifa'at Assad surrounded the city and trapped possibly 100 members of the Muslim Brotherhood who were opposed to President Assad's regime. Artillery shelling of that city caused between 10,000 and 38,000 civilian casualties. Fifteen thousand people were untraceable as a result of the massacre. In September 2001 two PFLP terrorist were arrested crossing into Israel from Jordan, having been trained in Syria to blow up the two towers of Tel Aviv's Azrieli Center.

    Jordan became a base of PLO terror operations against Israel between 1964 and 1970. When the PLO tried to overthrow King Hussein's government in September 1970 to set up a terrorist dictatorship in its stead, the king responded by unleashing his Bedouin Legionnaires against the PLO. Approximately 3,500 were killed during those weeks in 'Black September', with many terrorists actually escaping to Israel to request asylum.

    The Palestinian Authority continues to engage in open terrorism. Of the 176 Jewish terror victims in the past year, 71 of them were committed by members of the PA security forces. Calls for a jihad against the Jewish people and for the destruction of the State of Israel are regularly broadcast on PA controlled radio and television. On September 11, the day of the World Trade Center bombing, the PA controlled newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida declared, "The suicide bombers of today are the noble successors of the Lebanese bombers, who taught the US Marines a tough lesson. These suicide bombers are the salt of the earth, the engines of history. They are among the most honorable people among us." The PA appointed Mufti Ekrima Sabri gave a sermon at the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem in late August 2001, in which he called on Allah "to destroy the United States and Great Britain, as well as those who help the two countries".

    Saudi Arabia continues to bankroll many terrorist groups, though the funding mostly comes through private individuals. Many terrorist organizations receive substantial chunks of their funding through the government-tolerated generosity of the Saudis. Jews are forbidden to set foot in Saudi Arabia, and anti-Jewish literature is readily available. Christian houses of worship are illegal, and Christians who are discovered practicing their faith are often arrested, tortured and sometimes beheaded.

    Iran is the center of Shi'ite Islam, and a world leader in exporting terrorism. It is a haven for many terrorist organizations, and funds Hezbollah's and Islamic Jihad's activities against Israel. Iran also supports and offers safe haven to Algeria's GIA, Egypt's Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, Hamas, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, PFLP-GC, Kurdistan Worker's Party, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, etc. Iran's government held US embassy personnel hostage for 444 days in 1979-80, and has been linked to many top terror attacks around the world. It has continually called for the destruction of the Great Satan (USA) and the Little Satan (Israel) through jihad. Hezbollah's former leader is Imad Mugniyeh, the planner and mastermind of Hezbollah kidnappings, suicide bombings and many especially violent airplane hijackings. He is also the man who oversaw the torture to death of William Buckley (the CIA station chief in Beirut) and the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aries in 1992. At present he resides in Iran and in recent months has had significant contact with Bin Laden's top leadership, including Ayman al-Zawahari. The September 11 hijackings show strikingly similar tradecraft to Mugniyeh's methods.

    Iraq is perhaps the most well known country which both exports terrorism and murders its own citizens. In March 1988 Sadaam Hussein launched a chemical warfare attack against the town of Halabja in northern Iraq. Mustard gas and nerve gases were deployed. Between 5,000 and 12,000 Iraqi Kurds were killed immediately, and an estimated minimum of 40,000 were injured. His brutality against the Kurds, the Iranians and the Kuwaitis have earned him the Arabic title 'the butcher of Baghdad'. Sadaam has stirred up riots across the Muslim world by his declarations that he is leading a jihad against the forces of the godless West and of Israel. His drive to obtain non-conventional weapons (atomic, biological and chemical) coupled with his cruel invasion of Kuwait, triggered the Gulf War of 1991. Sadaam was one of the few world leaders who publicly applauded the recent attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon.

    Afghanistan's non-Arab country is ruled by the Islamic Taliban dictatorship. It is a center for training some of the most radical and violent Islamic terrorists, and the center of Bin Laden's al-Qa'ida network. The cruelty of this Islamic regime against its own people is internationally known and documented. Eight Christians working for the humanitarian aid organization "Shelter" are facing the death penalty for the alleged crime of sharing their faith with Afghanis.

    Pakistan is a non-Arab Muslim country. Christians accused of sharing their faith in Pakistan have been jailed, tortured and lynched. Osama Bin Laden has many contacts with Pakistan's intelligence community and has received active support from many sources in Pakistan. Over 30,000 Pakistanis fought as jihad warriors against Russian forces in Afghanistan. Recent violent anti-American riots and calls for jihad against the West show the volatile nature of many Pakistani Muslims. Recently President Musharraf publicly accused Hindus and Jews of plotting against Pakistan. This was partially done in an effort to divert Muslim anger away from Pakistan's leaders, who are cooperating with America against fellow Muslims in Afghanistan and the mujahid Bin Laden.

    Indonesia, a non-Arab Muslim country, has recently seen horrendous Muslim instigated riots against Indonesian and immigrant Chinese Christians. A campaign of targeted rapes, murders and church burnings throughout Indonesia has garnered world media attention.

    'Nuff said...
    Last edit by Joules on Oct 19, '01
  8. by   Joules
    Received this e-mail today. It speaks for itself:


    After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
    After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
    After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
    injured 200 U.S. military personnel, Clinton promised that those responsible
    would be hunted down and punished.
    After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
    injured 5,000, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
    and punished.
    After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 3 U.S.
    sailors, Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
    Had Clinton kept his promises, an estimated 7,000 people might be alive.

    An interesting question as well:
    This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.
    There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives hundreds of millions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism.
    That being the case, why is it that the US government has spent more money
    chasing down Bill Gates over the past ten years than Osama bin Laden?

    It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir. Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir. This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events! Incredible!!
  9. by   Q.
    That email you received that you posted was phenominal. Thank you for sharing.
  10. by   fergus51
    Joules, I just have to say there have been a lot more brutal crimes done in the name of Christianity or by Christians in recent times. It doesn't really matter who's doing it though, does it?... And what is an "Islamic nuclear bomb"? Do you mean a bomb in Pakistan which happens to have a muslim majority? It just sounded strange to me. I really appreciated the history though. I found it particularly interesting that these terrorists have been attacking MUSLIM countries for decades. It convinces me more that this isn't about religion it's about fanaticism.

    Suzy, or anyone else who has an opinion: Something I've been thinking about is I wonder if Clinton would have gotten a lot of support for spending billions to chase down Bin Laden or whoever after those earlier attacks (support from Americans and foreigners alike). Obviously it could have prevented this tragedy, but I wonder how tolerant we would have been with a military action of this magnitude in 1993. It seems like the public wasn't nearly as outraged back then... The embassy bombings were covered less than Monica Lewinsky for God's sakes... Do you think he would have?
  11. by   donmurray
    Well, Joules, you've convinced me. All religions are guilty as charged. Zealots in any shape or form, must be hunted down as terrorists. Anyone guilty of evangelising any faith must be reported to the authorities for disposal, since all seek to divide us as human beings into "us" (the special, superior, chosen ones, who have the secret), and "them" (the other, lowly, mistaken, stupid ones,) who are outside the group, and therefore damned.

    "Imagine" ---"no Hell below us, above us only sky,
    Imagine all the people, living life in peace."
    John Lennon.
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  13. by   NCNocRN
    I posted this at another site, but it is equally appropriate here:

    I think all of the posters will agree on the following points:
    1) There is a God, the Creator and Source of all things.
    2) God is good.
    3) He desires His creation to live in peace in harmony--to love and not hate.
    4) He has endowed mankind with freewill and therefore, God cannot be blamed for our bad choices--especially those things being done in the name of "religion."
    5) Killing/maiming/enslaving people in the name of "religion" is wrong and definitely not God's will.
    6) God desires some sort of relationship (worship) with His creation.
    7) God is in control. He hears our prayers. He moves on our behalf when we call. He hasn't abandonned us. But He is a gentleman and won't force His will/help on us.

    Jesus (as recorded in John chapter 4) had an interesting discussion with a woman about religion. He made this statement--that God is searching for true worshipers who will worship Him "in Spirit and in truth." Obviously, then, there is a distinction between those who are "religious" and those who are "worshipers" (kind of like efiebke's distinction between religion and spirituality). And God is actively seeking these true worshipers.

    Jesus was known for His compassion. He was a friend of sinners. He healed everyone who came to Him. In fact, He said, "those who are well don't need a doctor... I have not called the righteous but sinners..." He described Himself as the Good Shepherd. The only strong words Jesus ever spoke were against the self-righteous religious elite of His day (the Pharisees), whom He rebuked as being "blind guides," "fools," "hyprocrites," and "whited sepulchres" (Matthew 23). Obviously, He wasn't very well liked by these religious leaders, who lated plotted to kill Him!

    Jesus made this statement, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:37-40).

    The above statement describes the heart of true worship.
  14. by   donmurray
    Aren't "we" just loving those Afghans to bits?