Our Laughing Troops in Action

  1. We shouldn't be too surprised our troops are acting this way, should we? Our nation and its president didn't respect the sovereignty of another country, so why should our troops be expected to respect human life there, either?

    The sad part of this is that the president's father had gone to war a decade previously with the same country that the son decided to invade. And the pretext then was that we were protecting the sovereignty of another country! Now, we continue occupying the country post invasion under the pretext of being engaged in bringing democracy to the country. Democracy by invasion, and peace for murder. Or rather is it blood for oil?

    Nurse Hardee
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    Published on Saturday, February 14, 2004 by the lndependent/UK
    Drowned Iraqi 'Was Forced into River by Five US Soldiers'
    by Justin Huggler in Samarra

    Five American soldiers have been accused of driving a 19-year-old Iraqi civilian to his death in the Tigris river in one of the main centers of resistance to the occupation.

    Zeidun Fadhil and his cousin Marwan Fadhil were allegedly taken to a remote spot on the shore and ordered into the river at gunpoint. When they refused, the soldiers were said to have forced them into the river. Zeidun, who could not swim, drowned in the strong current. His cousin survived to tell the story.

    A lawyer for the family of the dead man said US soldiers in Samarratold the family there would be a full investigation, and that a military investigator had interviewed the surviving cousin as a witness. Nazar Fadhil, the dead man's uncle and the family lawyer, said the US military had ordered Zeidun's body to be exhumed for an autopsy. He said the family was awaiting the arrival of a forensic pathologist. He also said that the US army had offered the family compensation, but that they had refused it.

    Zeidun - full name Zeidun Mamun Fadhil al-Samarai - had become engaged three weeks before his death, and was saving for his wedding. The Independent was shown a letter from his mother, Widad, to President George Bush and to Tony Blair in which she demands a full inquiry into her son's death.

    Samarra, a Sunni city and one of the main centers of Iraqi resistance to the American occupation, is seething with anger over the alleged circumstances of his drowning.

    The incident happened on the night of 3 January. Zeidun and Marwan, were returning to their home town of Samarra from Baghdad with goods to sell in the back of their pick-up truck: paving stones, clocks and watches. It was a trip they had made many times.

    The road south to Baghdad is dangerous because the large numbers of American convoys traveling on it are targeted by insurgents, but Zeidun needed the money for his forthcoming wedding.

    They arrived late, close to curfew, and were stopped by an American patrol. After searching the pickup truck the Americans let the cousins go. But then, according to Marwan, one of the American armored vehicles followed them, stopped them a second time and ordered the cousins into the back of their vehicle. It was then, Marwan said, that the five soldiers drove him and Zeidun to a deserted spot on the banks of the Tigris, near a dam outside Samarra, and ordered them into the river.

    There was a powerful current because water was being let out of the dam, and at first the two young men refused.

    The soldiers then pointed their guns at the two men, Marwan alleged, and pushed them into the river. Marwan, who can swim, managed to reach a tree trunk. Zeidun did not get that far. His family did not find his body until 12 days later.

    When they found the pair's abandoned truck, it and the goods inside had been crushed. The family has photographs of the damage. The truck looked as if it had been driven over by a heavy vehicle, and the family accuses the Americans of deliberately driving an armored vehicle over it, though there are no witnesses to support this.

    It is by no means clear that Zeidun Fadhil was intended to die. It is possible he was the victim of an elaborate punishment designed to humiliate the two young men - a punishment that went horribly wrong. Marwan alleged the American soldiers were laughing as they pushed them into the river.

    Samarra is part of the so-called "Sunni Triangle", the area including Baghdad which has mounted the strongest Iraqi resistance to the American occupation. US soldiers stationed in Samarra have faced an almost daily onslaught of grenade and roadside bomb attacks.

    It appears that the two Fadhil cousins were stopped by the American patrol on the streets soon after curfew began. Zeidun's family insists that he and his cousin arrived in Samarra beforehand, but that they were delayed when their truck was searched by the reconstituted Iraqi army, which is now manning checkpoints for the Americans at the entrances to restive towns such as Samarra.

    If the allegations about Zeidun's death are true, it is possible that he and Marwan Fadhil were the victims of American soldiers - worn-down, angry soldiers, who wanted to teach a couple of Iraqis a lesson. If so, it was a lesson that went disastrously wrong.

    Zeidun's mother, in her letter to President Bush and Mr Blair, said: "We found his jacket in the river. We shall keep it as a souvenir of the justice my son got from the American soldiers. They came to Iraq under the slogans of democracy and human rights, but in cold blood they wedded my son to death even as he was preparing for his marriage.

    "I ask you to open an inquiry. Whatever you do will not bring my son back to life. But maybe this will stop the pain of the other mothers in my country."

    The US authorities would not comment on the case yesterday.

    Independent Digital (UK) Ltd 2004
    Last edit by NurseHardee on Feb 14, '04
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  2. 19 Comments

  3. by   delta32
    I find your post offensive and insulting. I hope that one day you may realise what a great nation that we live in, and that you would honor the men and women that serve our country, but i guess its ok to you that our troops are dying deaths much worst that that man. shall i discribe? The men dragged to death, the mobs attacking the men to shreds ...but thanks ok right?!
  4. by   delta32
    I do have to make one apology when I written the reply to the post I did not look and see the post was under current events but my views do remain the same.
  5. by   eak16
    Bravo nurse Hardee for using your freedom of speech!
    I hear news reports of rapes of female American soldiers by male American soldiers, acts like NurseHardee described, and now the "indefinate" detention of untried, unconvicted prisoners in Cuba....when did this become ok? When did it become ok to hide behind blind patriotism, lambasting everyone who doesn't believe that America is perfect? Yes, America is a very nice place to live, and it is an industrial democracy, just like England, Germany, India, etc. Yes probably 99% percent of soldiers are nice people with good intentions. But this doesn't change a policy that is wrong.
    War IS terrorism.
  6. by   fergus51
    Nothing would excuse such an act if it occured. The fact that American soldiers are dying has nothing to do with murdering a defenseless man (again, if it happened). I would think 99% of the other soldiers would be disgusted by such an act.
  7. by   Soonstudent
    The media is so biased; you can hardly believe anything they report. For instance, a couple of months ago all over the news was how Americans shot and killed an entire Iraqi family that was driving down the road in there personal vehicle. The media jumped at the chance to degrade American soldiers, President Bush and the entire war effort. After the investigation was over and the truth came out. A roadside bomb planted by terrorists exploded while an American convoy was passing by. Luckily for our troops, not so lucky for the Iraqi's, the explosion passed between two humvees and impacted the family's vehicle while it passed the convoy. Turned our soldiers never fired a round, but the media never picked this up. Do we just want Bush to sit around and keep allowing Americans to die like Clinton was getting so good at? Have we already forgotten 911? I for one am glad we liberated Kuwait, think of all the lives that were saved. I don't think Sadaam would have stoped there if we hadn't stoped him. The same goes for Iraq, WMD or not, the Iraqi people needed liberating.

    Someone else recently posted this.

    President Bush wrong about Iraq?

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    -Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    -Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
    Last edit by Soonstudent on Feb 15, '04
  8. by   fergus51
    This isn't an indictment against ALL American soldiers. It is one accusation. Unfortunately this kind of thing isn't unheard of. I wish it was. Thinking this act is horrific has nothing to do with wanting to let Americans keep dying, and has nothing to do with 9/11. I think you're taking one article and jumping 50 yards off onto other topics and issues.
  9. by   Soonstudent
    Sorry, I get a little fired up over this topic.
    Last edit by Soonstudent on Feb 15, '04
  10. by   nekhismom
    Any violent death is terrible. Make no excuses for it. Unfortunately, things like this happen. As with anything, there are good-hearted soldiers and not so good-hearted soldiers. And let's be honest, here. Do we even KNOW if the soldiers who allegedly commited this brutal act were americans? Maybe they weren't. maybe this never happened. WHO KNOWS? I don't. I don't believe everything I read.
  11. by   Mkue
    I would have to agree with the above poster, I don't believe everything I read. Also, many of the UK news wires/newspapers have been against the Iraq war, anti-Blair, anti-Bush so I usually check out their articles very carefully before believing. I would hope that this story is not true.
  12. by   Mkue
    Quote from Soonstudent
    Someone else recently posted this.

    President Bush wrong about Iraq?

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    -Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    -Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    Thank you
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    IF this is indeed true, swift and just punishment must be delivered. I am disgusted and disgraced for the 99% of our troops who would NEVER behave in such a manner. This sickens me.
  14. by   Soonstudent
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    IF this is indeed true, swift and just punishment must be delivered. I am disgusted and disgraced for the 99% of our troops who would NEVER behave in such a manner. This sickens me.
    Absolutely!

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