Oh California

  1. SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- California voters will go to the polls on October 7, when they'll be asked to choose whether to recall embattled Gov. Gray Davis -- and, if so, who his replacement should be.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...all/index.html

    What's up in California? I read that the last time we had a recall anywhere was in 1921.

    California :kiss
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  2. 55 Comments

  3. by   legsmalone
    Over a million of us are grumpy.....
  4. by   Liddle Noodnik
    Hey, I'm thinking of relocating there. A friend from there says not to cuz of this very thing, that it will affect nurses' rights, unions, etc. What do you think? Also any leads on some great Med Surg jobs? Esp near the water and not too citified. I am just an innocent Maine girl.

    I prefer 11-7 shift or a nite 12 hour shift.

    I would need relocation assistance etc if it's available and info on housing, please send a private message if you prefer!

    I personally don't get too involved in politics unless I'm directly affected, I do vote but my knowledge of issues is pretty sketchy. I feel bad about that but so many things occupy my head lately...
    Last edit by Liddle Noodnik on Jul 26, '03
  5. by   Spidey's mom
    Originally posted by legsmalone
    Over a million of us are grumpy.....
    Woo hoo! Amen to that!

    Grumpy, disgruntled, disgusted and appalled . . .


    DMV taxes will be tripled in September. Workman's Compensation has skyrocketed and is causing layoffs and business to relocate outside of California. Sheesh . .don't get me started. . . .
  6. by   legsmalone
    I just graduated and am thankful I have a job, albeit nursing positions aren't exactly hard to come by these days....
    But my big gripe is for people like my sister who are finishing up to be teachers, she has no guarentee of a job here at this point, so her plan is to stay in WA state.
    I have more then a few friends losing their jobs right now, or just plain unable to get jobs to support their families because of this budget mess....
    So, it wasn't a tough decision when a friend called me to ask if I would sign the petition.....
  7. by   Brownms46
    Me thinks this recall has more to do with the states 55 electoral votes, and ole bushy boy getting reelected, then it does about who is governor or not! I find it suspect when I read that a republican financed the recall, and not the outrage..."grumpy" citizens of California. And that the signatures came from mostly republican voters!

    Makes me wonder will we have a repeat of Florida in the next election?? The republicans lost the election last year, so they decided to come in thru the back door this time!

    Or is it as the Guardian Unlimited states:
    "allowing Schwarzenegger to run as the Republican candidate without having to wait until 2006 and fight his way, expensively, through the primaries. "

    If the voters were so disenchanted with Davis ..why did they reelect him just last year, and not the same republicans who are, and were/ now running against him? Or were they waiting for Arnold to throw his hat in???

    I don't believe anyone should stay in office if they're not doing the job! BUTTT...I think I smell some funny business here!
  8. by   Mkue
    I don't think the Republicans had anything to do with Davis 20% approval rating, more likely the budget crisis.

    I have relatives in California, have visited the state and love it there.

    IF someone can come in and FIX things for California I don't care if it's a Dem or Republican.

    Personally, I would prefer Jack Kemp over Schwarzenegger.
  9. by   SharonH, RN
    What's up in California is that 3% of Californians decided that they wouldn't give the governor the opportunity to continue the job that he was just re-elected to a mere 8 months ago. They coincidentally were helped along by the guy who really wants the job. What a sham. Brownie is right; these guys are getting to pull a "Florida" on the state of California. You can expect more of this; when a disgruntled minority doesn't like the candidate that the majority selected, then they will resort to shady means to go around the will of the people. Those people had 4 years to know what type of governor Gray Davis was, if they hadn't figured it out before, then they deserved to have to deal with him for another 4 years. The time to show him that they disapproved of the job he was doing was at the actual election 8 months ago!
    Last edit by SharonMH31 on Jul 27, '03
  10. by   Brownms46
    SharonMH31 AAAAAAMen!
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Well, I live, work and breathe here in California and Davis's poll numbers are down with members of both parties, not just Republicans. And if you have followed the story here, you would know that Davis ran a very dirty campaign against the only Republican who could have beaten him and left us with a weaker candidate. So, "WE" didn't elect him. And even those who did vote for him are mad. Mad about the so-called "power crisis". Mad about Workman's Comp being raised to exorbitant amounts causing layoffs and business closings and actually causing businesses choosing NOT to come to California. And then there is the DMV Fee hike. I'll post a recent letter to the editor that says it best:

    July 25, 2003-2:32 a.m.
    protesting DMV fee hike



    Without fanfare and basically carried out behind closed doors, Gov. Gray Davis has slipped through a bill that will triple our DMV fees as of September. That means that if you are paying $200 now, it will leap to $600; $250 becomes $750, $300 becomes-well, you get the message. This is an astronomical increase that will affect everyone who owns an auto, truck, travel trailer, RV, utility trailer, horse trailer, motorcycle, antique auto or whatever you drive down the road short of a horse or bicycle.

    Where has the debate been, the public input, the TV and newspaper headlines announcing such a terrific increase? And where is the public outcry and opposition? Please, it is not time to sit quietly by and meekly accept this costly increase that will impact each and every one of us. We have taxes, fees, licenses and tolls enough to pay. Can't the state of California cut back on its spending, or must it continue to hemorrhage money down every drain it chooses to flush our hard earned dollars? This is money taken out of our children's mouths and out of their education and well-being and out of our ability to meet the many financial obligations we all have.

    Please, don't sit this one out; take action against the tripling of our DMV fees. Write to the governor and register your protest. Then register your protest at the polls at election time. A simple postcard with the message, "Do not increase our DVM fees" will do. Address it to: Gov. Gray Davis, state Capitol, P.O. Box 942849, Sacramento, CA 94249-0000. Please buy an extra postcard and take it to a friend to mail.

    *************

    I'd say that huge of an increase in fees is going to hurt. I'd say that the government here needs to look at all the superfluous staff they have hired in the last few years and get rid of them first. I could go on and on listing ways the govrernment could reduce spending instead of raising taxes. But I'm getting grumpy again.
  12. by   jemb
    I concur that it has nothing to do with party vs. party. He's doing nothing to remedy the financial crisis the state is facing.

    A lot of Davis's involvement in things such as the "energy crisis" of last year (which was, in reality, nonexistent) have been made public in recent months. Then there are things such as the car tax being pushed through illegally (in case you don't know).

    I am neither Democrat nor Republican, but most of the democrats I have talked with say they have little in common with the current Davis bunch.
  13. by   Brownms46
    My I didn't know that Gov. Davis controlled how folks went and voted..???? I mean did his dirty campaign stop people from thinking??? Did it stop them from understanding whether or not the budget was screwed up a LOOOOONG time BEFORE the last election???

    Did Californians NOT understand who they were voting for?? I have relatives and many friends in California, and looked it as as a place to relocate. N. Calif that is! I don't understand how the man got the majority vote...whether he ran a dirty campaign or not! Makes no sense to me...unless of course...they didn't like who was running against him. How come they only became enlightened AFTER the election?? Where were they 8 months ago??

    It's like entering into a debt, and then trying to figure a way out of paying for it! I feel when you make your bed, you should lie in it!
  14. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by Brownms46
    My I didn't know that Gov. Davis controlled how folks went and voted..???? I mean did his dirty campaign stop people from thinking??? Did it stop them from understanding whether or not the budget was screwed up a LOOOOONG time BEFORE the last election???

    Did Californians NOT understand who they were voting for?? I have relatives and many friends in California, and looked it as as a place to relocate. N. Calif that is! I don't understand how the man got the majority vote...whether he ran a dirty campaign or not! Makes no sense to me...unless of course...they didn't like who was running against him. How come they only became enlightened AFTER the election?? Where were they 8 months ago??

    It's like entering into a debt, and then trying to figure a way out of paying for it! I feel when you make your bed, you should lie in it!

    So true Brownie! That is so funny, now it's because he ran a dirty campaign. Well, if the voters of California let him get away with it, they got what they deserved and they should have to deal with him for another 4 years. Here is an editorial that I read from a Californian that really says it all:


    Recalls Are for Cars, Not California Governors


    When did the Target parking lot replace the voting booth?
    By Bill Maher


    New rule: No do-overs. Once you elect an official, unless he runs off with public funds or gets caught with kiddie porn, you're stuck with him.

    He's the governor, not some dude you married in Las Vegas.

    What's going on here in California, if you're lucky enough to not have been following this, is that the economy turned, so we're getting rid of the governor. But what if we drive him out of office and the economy still doesn't get better? I guess we'll have to burn him. And if that doesn't work, we'll kill his dog.

    Yes, in baseball when the team stinks, you fire the manager. But you don't fire him because it rains. And you don't let the opposing team choose a new manager for you.

    And you don't fire him between innings. And replace him with a Viennese weightlifter.

    Here's why the economy turned: The dot-com bubble burst. (Obviously on the orders of Gray Davis.) The airline industry collapsed. (Just as Gray Davis planned.) We fought two wars. (Playing right into Gray Davis' hands.) And Dick Cheney's friends at Enron "gamed" the energy market and ripped off the state for billions.

    So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.

    And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German.

    But there are still a lot of Democrats with sour grapes over the last presidential election, and they're not collecting petitions to replace George Bush with Bernie Mac.

    Now, I'm not saying that I like Davis. Being enthusiastic about Davis would be like saying your favorite food is straw. But he fought for his country in Vietnam and won a fair election, and he's entitled to his term.

    Maybe he's a lousy governor, but he was the one elected by voters who bothered to show up at the polls. Their efforts shouldn't be undone by disgruntled shoppers signing a petition on their way out of Target.

    Anyone who thinks this recall is some great affirmation of democracy should review early American history. This is precisely the kind of direct involvement by the howling masses that the framers wanted to avoid.

    But, hey, let's have the recall. And then the people who voted for Davis can have a recall and put him back in. And then we can throw him out again. It works well in Italy.

    And it'll really help the state economy, too, when investors realize our political system is on par with Belize.

    Oh, and a recall election will cost the state up to $35 million. Money we would otherwise just waste on schools and roads. And we'll still have to have a regular election in March.

    But this really isn't about elections at all. This is about a congressman named Darrell Issa, a Republican car alarm magnate who wants to be governor and has spent $1.5 million of his own money to fund the recall effort.

    Think about that as the silver lining the next time a car alarm wakes you up in the middle of the night.

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