Nurses and Physicians Confessions Extracted Under Torture

  1. Does this bother anyone?

    http://declanbutler.info/blog/?p=69
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  2. 17 Comments

  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    Of course.
    Nurses and physicians don't go into the profession to harm patients.
    I cannot believe there was an intent to murder. As the article stated many of these were infected before the arrival of the nurses.

    Torture is not a way to find the truth.
    I believe, as most Americans, that the accused have the right to a speedy and public trial and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him or her; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his or her defence.

    Thanks to the efforts of international human rights organisations, especially Physicians for Human Rights, there will be another trial and the death penalty is, for now overturned.
  4. by   sanctuary
    Strange, spacenurse, that you expect a backwards place like Bengazi to provide all those rights when the US president just cancelled all of them at his whim in this country.
  5. by   indigo girl
    Quote from sanctuary
    Strange, spacenurse, that you expect a backwards place like Bengazi to provide all those rights when the US president just cancelled all of them at his whim in this country.
    Odd, isn't it?
  6. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from sanctuary
    Strange, spacenurse, that you expect a backwards place like Bengazi to provide all those rights when the US president just cancelled all of them at his whim in this country.
    Strange indeed.
    I didn't expect honor and justice from the government of Libya.
    I do think we have a duty to work to stop the same kind of injustice being done in our name.
  7. by   indigo girl
    The trial is next week, God help them:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...416854,00.html
  8. by   indigo girl
    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/rapidpdf/1136578v1.pdf

    A message from Robert Gallo, co-discoverer of the AIDS virus:

    Quote from www.sciencemag.org/cgi/rapidpdf/1136578v1.pdf
    Convicting a small group of individuals of such an appalling crime as the deliberate infection of 400 innocent children requires a very high degree of proof. Yet the Libyan court chose to exclude expert testimony from independent scientists and to prevent access to crucial pieces of evidence to test for HIV contamination, while relying instead on “confessions” extracted under torture and making threats of execution for any noncooperation by the accused... These six innocent healthcare workers have been incarcerated in a Libyan prison for nearly 8 years, for what we believe was performing their jobs with inadequate equipment, after receiving inadequate training and having been exposed to the same risk of HIV infection as the Libyan children and hospital staff...
    What has happened to the accused sends a chilling message to all heathcare workers who choose to work in difficult circumstances to deliver life- saving care to HIV-1–infected or at-risk people worldwide....

    If Libya is truly willing to enter into meaningful dialogs with Western nations, it should take the opportunity to benefit from the knowledge Western scientists have gained about HIV-1 and AIDS over the past 25 years and not instead create yet more victims of the AIDS epidemic—in this case, the five Bulgarian nurses and Palestinian doctor.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Oct 25, '06
  9. by   indigo girl
    Commentary from Effect Measure:

    http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur...r_the.php#more

    Quote from scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2006/10/they_have_already_come_for_the.php#more
    This long running case is not the only human rights abuse in the world but it has also become a symbol for the struggle for freeing science from the yoke of politicians and despots. Nature said it best in their strongly worded Editorial earlier this month:

    "First they came for the Socialists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Socialist... Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up for me." Martin Niemöller's poem, criticizing the inaction of German intellectuals in the face of the rise of the Nazis, serves as a powerful analogy for why scientists should be concerned by abuses of academic freedom, wherever they occur. Most readers of Nature take it for granted that they can travel to work each day, free to enquire, express opinions and criticize government policy, without fear of intimidation or reprisals -- let alone imprisonment or torture. Sadly, these freedoms can only be dreamt of in many countries of the world, where academics must live with, and often suffer directly, human-rights abuses. Their plight is our business.
    But beyond humanitarian grounds, in this interconnected world we are engaged in a battle of ideas, and the failure to defend any abuse of academic freedom undermines the very principles that guarantee the rights we currently enjoy. Oppressive regimes typically stifle enquiry, as critical minds will inevitably also scrutinize their leaders. Enquiry is further undermined in such environments by the award of senior academic posts to the politically loyal rather than the competent, and the selection of policies or actions that suit governments' agendas, regardless of the scientific evidence.
    Enough said.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Oct 28, '06
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  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    science; noun
    Known facts, ideas, and skill that have been imparted


    It is so sad that the facts are ignored by Libyan justice.
    Tragic for those nurses. Just plain wrong.
  13. by   VeryPlainJane
    You see...this is sooooo simple! If your a good person and you torture people...you get a positive out come.. And if your a bad person and torture someone...well your really really evil! Once I get a deep tissue massage and I would have confessed to the OKC bombing.
  14. by   indigo girl
    Documentary on this case:

    INJECTION by Mickey Grant Productions
    1 hr 21 min 55 sec - Sep 25, 2006


    Creative Hat -- presented by Cindy & Mickey Grant

    Injection is the real-life story of six health care workers falsely accused and jailed.

    INJECTION - Google Video
    Last edit by indigo girl on Nov 29, '06

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