Negative post regarding war with Iraq

  1. OK people, I have read so many negative post about war with Iraq, I have to ask one question, are all you nay sayers also the ones that will moan and groan when Sadam does unleash a weapon of mass destruction, saying why didn't we do something about this before hand. After the Gulf War Sadam was quoted as saying there will be cruise missles striking New York City. Does this sound familiar? I personally would love to see us NOT Go to war, but when all military personel take the oath, they realize they maybe put into harms way. Even though I never really had the chance to serve for this great nation, I have many friends who are about to go into harms way. They don't pick the wars, they do as they are told to protect and defend us all. I know many people here will disagree with what I am saying, but just remember, it is because of them that we can disagree. We know Iraq has large amounts of chemical and biological weapons, and Sadam has used them on his own people in the past, what is to stop him, from using it on us, or giving it to other terrorist to use on us. People we have to protect ourselves. In conclusion, I must say if you love your freedom thank a vet, and give them your full support.
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  3. by   fergus51
    Dspring, I mean no disrespect when discussing the whole Iraq thing with the more "hawkish" peopole. My main beef is that we don't know that SH has the ability to get weapons to the US (I am much more worried about North Korea seeling a bomb to terrorists than Iraq), we are ignoring all the other problems in the world (like Al Qaeda and North Korea) and jumping into this quickly, without making a serious effort to have allies, and I don't know yet that war IS the only way to prevent him from attacking us. He hasn't been able to act on any of the threats he made against America in the last 10 years, so I am skeptical that a war is what is needed. And I do question the motives Bush has for getting us involved. I understand those who think war is necessary, I'm just not there yet. Time has a very good article explaining the European leaders hesitance to get into this war and if you read it with an open mind, I think you can see there are some valid points, even if you don't agree with them all.

    Frankly, what really scares me are the people who seem unwilling to even consider the other point of view or admit that they don't have a crystal ball either.
  4. by   kae rn
    I don't want war, but I have to put my faith in those people making the decisions. I don't think a war will be started unless there is good proof. This is a different day and age. The government doesn't share everything and I am thankful that they don't. There are enough people who worry about trivial things in this world and they can't handle knowing anything more. I am from a family of WW II vets. Sent my grandfather and 6 of his brothers. Everyone came home except one leg lost on beach of Normandy. I am thankful for what they did for us, and will never talk badly about any of our troops. My boys can serve if they choose to and I will to if needed.
  5. by   l.rae
    some want proof positive....like mabe a big mushroom cloud......and then, somehow, it would be the fault of the "evil "Americans or GWB....
  6. by   fergus51
    Well, lrae, Bush keeps saying he has the proof, so it isn't a matter of waiting for a mushroom cloud over NY. The question that follows is why aren't other world leaders or the arms inspectors he says he supports seeing it? You want people to follow you into war, you should provide them with the evidence you have. Otherwise you have no one to blame but yourself if your motives and your proof is questionned.
  7. by   Q.
    Originally posted by fergus51
    Dspring, I mean no disrespect when discussing the whole Iraq thing with the more "hawkish" peopole.
    And who might those "hawkish" people be?
  8. by   rncountry
    dspring, may I simply say that supporting our military does not equate into supporting what ever the current President wants to drag us into. Since I spring from a heavily populated military family, I don't feel that I am not supporting the military. I am simply not supporting the President. They are not the same thing, because as I see it, the military is not a junta that placed the President into power.
    My dad spent 33 years in the Navy. His father was in the Navy. His brother was in the Navy and retired about 20 years. His father's brother was a tail gunner in the Army-Air Corp based out of England, and went on to retire out. Both of my mom's brother's were in the Navy. I was married to a man who was in the Air Force. In fact I can trace both my mom's and dad's people back to when this country existed as a English colony and find those that fought in the Revolutionary War. Currently I have a cousin stationed in Saudi Arabia who works in MMS or Munitions Maintenence for those who don't know. I have another Uncle who fought his war from the Normandy landing to the Battle of the Bulge where a bomb exploded and he walked out with dogtags and one sock. One of his son's fought two tours of Vietnam, another in the Navy, another in the Air Force. I would have to make a wild guess here, but I would guess I have a tendency to support our people in uniform. In fact my dad's dress White Hat sits in a place of honor in my China Cabinet.
    My family did not fight for freedom in this country to watch it be taken away by the people that were elected. We have so much fear of what could happen, we have become a quivering mass of blubbering babies. With the argument of "we don't know what you could do, after all he is crazy you know" the same applies to North Korea does it not? But we'll negotiate that one.
    If this country goes to war without UN authority we are nothing more than a rogue nation. And MY ANCESTORS DID NOT FIGHT FOR THAT.
  9. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by Susy K
    And who might those "hawkish" people be?
    :kiss You know who you are:kiss :roll
  10. by   RN2B4SUR
    dspring-I support your ideas 100%. I also want to state that those who "complain" that they have not seen the evidence or that others in the world have not seen it yet, need to understand how, where, and by who we get this information. If the information is released at the wrong time, it could cut off the supply of the information. Those that do serve in the armed forces dont have the right to question what they are about to do. It would be by order of the Commander in Chief(not the president) and also in honor to defend the rights of this United States. The USA is not controlled by the UN. Our protection is by our own will. I do agree that N.K. may also pose a treat but that is and will be handle. Maybe you havent heard on the left wing news programs, but there is a buildup of armed forces in that region going on. Where was everyone a few years ago when Bill Clinton shot some cruise missles at Iraq the same day monica was coming out of the news and such. No war comments then?!?!
    I am glad to be serving in the armed forces now more then ever!
  11. by   fergus51
    I want to make it clear I have no desire for George W Bush to come to my house and show me his proof. I would expect that he would show it to the Prime Minister (y'know, the guy here who decides when we send troops to war) and the leaders of the other countries he wants support from. Frankly I would be too embarassed if he came and saw how messy my place is with my packing still only half done.
  12. by   rncountry
    ah, for someone in the military it might do for you to realize the Commander in Chief is the President. And just because you are in the military it does not mean that you can't decide not to do something. It may mean time in the brig, but you can still make that choice. Freewill does not disappear when you join the military.
    And when all else fails, blame that media, you know the one that EVERYONE KNOWS has a "liberal" basis. By the way George Washington was a liberal, by the true defination of the word.
    Oh, and one more thing, I believe the "just following orders" is what caused My Lai, a thing of continuing shame in this country.
  13. by   rncountry
    I just have to say this, I am sick and tired of hearing "the left leaning media"
    Know about the Media Information Center? The founder is Brent Boswell, this is what his own web site has said about him.
    *** "Founder and Chairman of the Board of the Media Research Center, Mr. Bozell runs the largest media watchdog organization in America. Founded in 1987, the MRC publishes three award-winning newsletters, MediaWatch, Notable Quotables, and MediaNomics. He is the co-editor of And That's the Way It Isn't: A Reference Guide to Media Bias; and his Center has published other books including Pattern of Deception: The Media's Role in the Clinton Presidency; How to Identify, Expose and Correct Liberal Media Bias; and Out of Focus: Network Television and the American Economy. Founder and Chairman of the Parents Television Council, Mr. Bozell leads the only Hollywood-based organization dedicated to restoring responsibility to television programming. The PTC annually publishes the Family Guide to Prime Time Television which aids parents across the country in making informed viewing decisions for their children. Mr. Bozell founded the Conservative Victory Committee in 1987 and serves as its President today. An independent multi-candidate political action committee, the CVC played a major role in the 1994 elections helping elect dozens of conservative candidates.
    In 1992 Mr. Bozell served as National Finance Chairman for the Buchanan for President campaign; during the Reagan years he was Finance Director, and later President of the National Conservative Political Action Committee." ***

    let's look at a partial listing of the media programs which have either had an MRC spokesperson on their program, carried on of the MRC articles, used the MRC research, or recently covered MRC events:
    TELEVISION

    CNN, CNN Morning News
    CNN, Crossfire
    CNN, Showbiz Today
    Fox Morning News
    CBN, The 700 Club
    CNBC, The Charles Grodin Show
    CNBC, The Cal Thomas Show
    CNBC, Equal Time NewsTalk Television
    RADIO

    The Rush Limbaugh Show
    The G. Gordon Liddy Show
    The Ollie North Show
    The Mary Matlin Show
    The Blanquita Cullum Show
    USA Radio Network
    The Bob Grant Show
    PRINT

    USA Today The Washington Post
    New York Times U.S. News & World Report
    Wall Street Journal New York Post
    Los Angeles Times Washington Times
    Insight Investor's Business Daily
    American Spectator TV Guide
    Boston Herald San Diego Union-Tribune
    Virginia Pilot Roll Call
    News & Record World

    Look at that would you? There are mainstream media right there! Or is Brent Boswell really a closet liberal only using the cover of a conservative to plant liberal news? Could try looking at other sources too, but then maybe the whole world has a "left leaning liberal bias" You know, organizations like the BBC. We all know the BBC is left leaning.
    Clinton gets cruxified for not bombing the hell out of Iraq and then gets cruxified because he did bomb something because you know he was just wagging the dog. And by the way, has any conservative noticed the man is not in office anymore?
  14. by   SharonH, RN
    Originally posted by dspring
    OK people, I have read so many negative post about war with Iraq, I have to ask one question, are all you nay sayers also the ones that will moan and groan when Sadam does unleash a weapon of mass destruction, saying why didn't we do something about this before hand. After the Gulf War Sadam was quoted as saying there will be cruise missles striking New York City. Does this sound familiar? I personally would love to see us NOT Go to war, but when all military personel take the oath, they realize they maybe put into harms way. Even though I never really had the chance to serve for this great nation, I have many friends who are about to go into harms way. They don't pick the wars, they do as they are told to protect and defend us all. I know many people here will disagree with what I am saying, but just remember, it is because of them that we can disagree. We know Iraq has large amounts of chemical and biological weapons, and Sadam has used them on his own people in the past, what is to stop him, from using it on us, or giving it to other terrorist to use on us. People we have to protect ourselves. In conclusion, I must say if you love your freedom thank a vet, and give them your full support.

    D,


    I do love my freedom and I give thanks to all vets, including my father(Vietnam), uncle(Vietnam), husband(Gulf War), and two cousins(killed in Vietnam). Four of the five were drafted but according to Rumsfeld they added no value and no advantage to the American military(talk about not supporting the troops!) Furthermore, I resent the implication that if I don't support the war, then I don't support the troops. Because of the sacrifices that were made on my behalf, I accept my responsibility as an American citizen and I use my rights of free speech to question this impending war. My cousins didn't die in vain, so I could sit back and never question the government in the name of patriotism. By the way, the aforementioned veterans who managed to escape their service to this country with their lives (Dad, unc, hubby) are against the war.


    As far as Saddam, there is no doubt that he is evil. It is true that Iraq has large amounts of chemical and biological weapons (with the previous knowledge and endorsement of the U.S., but it wasn't a problem then because they used them against people we didn't like), but there is no proof that he has either the capability or the intention to use them against the U.S. And forgive me, but George W. Bush's word just isn't good enough. I don't trust him much more than I trust SH. Sad, isn't it?
    Last edit by SharonMH31 on Feb 4, '03

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