N.P.R reports nerve gas warheads in Iraq foun

  1. I heard a very quick blurb on NPR today stating that a number of warheads (I forget theexact number) were found that contained (I think) "cyclosarin". I think that was the chemical. said to be many times moe deadly than sarin. The blurb was 20 seconds (if that) and tucked in between two other blurs of little import. Did anyone else hear anything? They were tested by "U.S. experts" and tested positive for the stuff. I hope some else heard and can clue me in.
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  3. by   Groovydogg
    By Wojciech Moskwa
    WARSAW (Reuters) - Artillery shells found by Polish troops in Iraq definitely contained the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin, the Polish army said on Friday.

    The threat of weapons of mass destruction possessed by Saddam Hussein's now toppled regime was the main justification used by Washington to go to war against Iraq last year, but U.S.-led forces have only found small amounts of banned weapons.

    Poland said its soldiers found 17 Grad rockets and two mortar shells in late June and said U.S. experts had carried out tests on the weapons.

    "Tests conducted showed that there was cyclosarin in the rocket heads," General Marek Dukaczewski, the head of army intelligence, told a news conference.

    But the U.S. military said only two of the rockets had tested positive for sarin gas, and another 16 of the rockets found by the Poles had contained no chemical agents. The reason for the discrepancy in numbers was unclear.

    Polish Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski said the discovery of the rockets showed Saddam had failed to account for banned munitions held by Iraq.

    "Our predictions and reports that Saddam Hussein did not come clean with a large sum of weapons, artillery shells and of weapons of mass destruction were proven true," he said.

    "Some of those warheads were old but it could not be ruled out some could still be used," Szmajdzinski said.

    Poland said in a statement from Iraq that "beyond doubt the shells were from the 1980-1988 period, of the type used against Kurds and during the Iraq-Iran war."

    In Baghdad, the U.S. military issued a statement saying that two 122 mm rockets found by Polish forces had tested positive for sarin gas and confirmed that they were left over from the Iran-Iraq war, but said they posed little danger.


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    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5578193
  4. by   jyoung1950
    Quote from Groovydogg
    I heard a very quick blurb on NPR today stating that a number of warheads (I forget theexact number) were found that contained (I think) "cyclosarin". I think that was the chemical. said to be many times moe deadly than sarin. The blurb was 20 seconds (if that) and tucked in between two other blurs of little import. Did anyone else hear anything? They were tested by "U.S. experts" and tested positive for the stuff. I hope some else heard and can clue me in.
    I think we will find a little bit here and a little bit there of WMD's. Saddam had months to hide them before we attacked. Course he may have buried them somewhere in Iraq like he did with those 30 - 40 fighter jets that were found earlier in the war.

    And I've heard that alot of WMD's were transported to Syria.

    I know it's come out that he was communicating with North Korea re nuclear weapon technology and material. I don't have a link where I read this within reach right now but maybe later in the day I can find some information.

    It's 4th of July and I have a picnic to go to later!

    Happy 4th to everyone here at allnurses.com!
  5. by   maureeno
    nuclear proliferation is a Pakistanian party
    a fact the Bush administration learned in June 2002
    http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030127fa_fact

    about WMD's going to Syria
    frontpagemagzine states " It's not hard to imagine that Syria either received some missiles from Iraq or has taken delivery from North Korea...."
    afterall
    "The fact is the links between Syria and North Korea have been expanding. These ties have solidified with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein."
    http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=13906

    frontpage is David Horowitz's presentation
    the guy is a lefty gone righty
    now out to defend the "cultural foundations of our freedom"
    and shouting out the left hates America
    calling them the "internal opponents of freedom"
    http://cspc.org/about2.html

    not an all together reputable news source...
    but one guaranteed its liberty
    hooray for freedom!!!!
  6. by   Mkue
    Happy 4th to you too !

    More and more WMD found in Iraq just further proves that we weren't lied to, but of course I've never felt that I was lied to.
  7. by   fergus51
    By their own admission these were from before the Gulf War. It does prove he wasn't honest about his cache, but it doesn't show he had an active WMD program like we were told. It's better than nothing, but I would still LOVE for us to find a new batch of anything.
  8. by   Dplear
    Well fergus I found a new batch of chocolate chipcookies my wife was hiding...does that count. They are weapons of mass increasing...as in my waist size...LOL :chuckle

    on the serious side Saddam had the weapons and they are still out there somewhere. It was also said that there were Al Quaida looking for these weapons as well in the same news report. maybe they have info that we don't. Would not surpirse me in the least that they know of thier existance. There weere and are ties between them and Iraq.

    Dave
  9. by   fergus51
    You can send those cookies to me and I can dispose of them safely Dave

    Personally, I don't believe there were any ties between SH and Al Qaeda, but I had thought SH had WMD before the war. I reeeeaaaaaallllllyyyy want us to find those if they exist, but as time passes I am losing hope. If they made their way to the hands of terrorists.... well I don't even want to go there
  10. by   Q.
    Quote from fergus51
    If they made their way to the hands of terrorists.... well I don't even want to go there
    That is my fear - that they were there but we gave Iraq months and months of warnings that we were going to come in, that I fear they've already been moved and are somewhere more deadly than buried in a hole in the desert.

    Frankly even if we don't find them until they land in our backyard, I will always believe that Saddam had them. It's just in his history.
  11. by   fergus51
    Susy, my reasonning was the opposite. I don't believe the SH-alQaeda connection idea. My worry is that we went in and those WMD which were under SH's tight control (and he wouldn't have been able to use against us) found their way to terrorists due to the chaos we created. I am worried we created a new Afghanistan in Iraq, only this time it's worse because there are more goodies for all the terrorists who have congregated there.

    I hope we find WMD or that we were wrong and SH did dispose of them a long time ago and was just bluffing.
  12. by   maureeno
    >>>On April 12,[2003] one of Iraq's top scientists and
    liaison to UNSCOM and UNMOVIC,
    General Amir al-Saadi, surrendered to U.S.
    authorities. In an interview just prior to his
    surrender, al-Saadi said that Iraq did not
    have illicit WMD programs: "Nothing,
    nothing . . . I'm saying this for posterity, for
    history, not for defending the regime . . .
    Time will bear me out . . . There will be no
    difference after the war is over . . . I was
    knowledgeable about those programs, those
    past programs, and I was telling the truth,
    always the truth . . . We were finally
    approaching the point of getting everything
    accounted for, but things have turned out
    differently."<<
    http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:g...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
  13. by   Q.
    Sorry Maureeno; much like many people do not believe a tie to bin Laden and Hussein, I do not believe for one minute that Hussein does not have WMD.
  14. by   movealong
    Quote from fergus51
    Susy, my reasonning was the opposite. I don't believe the SH-alQaeda connection idea. My worry is that we went in and those WMD which were under SH's tight control (and he wouldn't have been able to use against us) found their way to terrorists due to the chaos we created. I am worried we created a new Afghanistan in Iraq, only this time it's worse because there are more goodies for all the terrorists who have congregated there.

    I hope we find WMD or that we were wrong and SH did dispose of them a long time ago and was just bluffing.
    I tend to agree. We have nothing thus far as evidence that Saddam was still producing any WMD.

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