Mr Bush has got his war...

  1. I make no apologies for the tone of this email, and want to reassure colleagues in the US that this is'nt directed at them.. I have great repect for you and have watched with admiration at your debate and defence of your various positions. No this is a heartfelt cry of anguish to the few in governments in the US/UK/Australia who do not represent even they're own people largely.
    So it has finally happened..... What just about everyone knew was coming whatever the Iraqis did.... Mr Bush's war is about to begin... and lets not mistake that fact... this is a war supported by a tiny minority of the worlds population and against international law... making those who take part no better than Iraq when it invaded Kuwait, an aggressor regime. The arguments that Bush, Blair and Howard are using, that they can authorise force under previous UN resolutions is flatly denied by the body they claim to be representing.
    The ramifications of this action will have hardly even begun by the time the US is rolling its Abrams tanks down the streets of Baghdad. Bush has made the entire population of America the personal enemy of everyone of the billions of Muslim practitioners around the world, Osama Bin Laden must be laughing into his cornflakes this morning. You can guarantee that his funding is going to get a huge boost on the back of this.... Perhaps enough to buy some radioactive material from a desperate Eastern European politician/mafia/military ...etc.
    This action will not cease after Saddam Hussein is dead or in custody, the Arab nations that border Iraq are not onside this time and apart from a few of the smaller states do not support this action at all.
    And here's a piece of speculation for you, what would happen to the ground forces in Kuwait if the other nations in the area decided to launch a surprise attack on the US/UK forces whilst engaging the Iraqi's. I wonder if that has been 'factored in'. Certainly they would not be able to repel the combined Arab forces, even despite the inferior weaponry they possess.

    Despite all the rhetoric, the case for this war at this time has explicitly NOT been made, there is NO smoking gun. Saddam Hussein is not a terrorist (except to his own people), hasn't funded terrorism and not linked to 9/11. This is an analysis of the CIA, not some crackpot lefty trying to save the world, but repeatedly George Bush makes the connection, why.... Well because without that link he can't use his favourite theme... 'the war on terrorism' and yet the regimes which are, do and will continue to support terrorist networks are not even being threatened by trade sanctions let alone the military muscle on Saddam's doorstep..... why is that? Iraq is certainly draggin its feet, trying not to comply.... but being made to, by the threat of force certainly but through the work of the inspectors themselves as well... who wanted more time... only months.... not years.... and no-one nowhere has said why it is impossible to wait those 1-3 month... that what is the mad rush to war... as former Minister Robin Cook said today in the UK Parliment, when he had the balls to stand up for his convictions and resign from the UK cabinet, he said, Saddam Hussein and his army have been in Iraq for 20yrs, put there partly by us and do not reprent a clear and present danger to either the US or the UK. What then is the reason that right now, at this time do we need to use force, when all other options have NOT been exhausted and there is no international support for military intervention?

    I have no doubt that the aggressor coalition will make short work of the Iraqi army in the field.... After that, well then the real war will begin... between America/allies and the Arab/Muslim world. Our planet has turned another corner in its history... but its not a new one... it's the same one that certain countries took in our recent history.. also to the global condemnation of the world... and funnily enough led to the formation of the UN... NOT as Mr Bush today alluded to confront and remove illegal regimes, but to try and maintain global peace..... and only in extreme circumstances resort to force under a global resolution, backed by the majority of the world.... This is patently not the case here.
    Even though I'm not a religious man, I urge everyone to pray, for our world, and for our future, because from today they both look mush scarier places.
    Regards StuPer

    PS In the coming day's, when your watching those wonderful televised precision weapons on that custom built stage, just remember its likely some ill trained Iraqi conscript who thinks he is just trying to defend his country died. Only 50,000 of Saddam's army have recieved any really effective training, and they won't be in the front line till Baghdad.
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  3. by   TNcanNURSE
    Have they officially declared war yet?
  4. by   StuPer
    President Bush has given Saddam Hussein and his sons 48hrs to get out of Iraq.... there is no chance of this happening... he has made that plain... so effectively yes war has been declared. Britian and Australia have both had cabinet meetings authorising the use of force... the military on the border of Kuwait are getting ready and are sure of action....
    Ohhh and I watched with disgust that US construction firms are being asked to tender for the reconstruction of Iraq... approximately 1 Billion US dollars will be up for grabs... this contract will not be open to other countries or even Iraqi's own construction industry... despite the fact that clearly the Iraqi people would gain much needed currency if they were awarded the contracts and be able to contribute to the rebuilding of their own country in two ways.
    regards StuPer
  5. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by StuPer
    Even though I'm not a religious man, I urge everyone to pray, for our world, and for our future, because from today they both look mush scarier places.
    Regards StuPer

    Not as scary as 9/11 in my opinion.

    Peace to you StuPer
  6. by   nursenoelle
    Originally posted by StuPer

    PS In the coming day's, when your watching those wonderful televised precision weapons on that custom built stage, just remember its likely some ill trained Iraqi conscript who thinks he is just trying to defend his country died. Only 50,000 of Saddam's army have recieved any really effective training, and they won't be in the front line till Baghdad.
    No thank you, my mind and heart will be with OUR soldiers, who are risking thier lives for US. I pray every day that when my brother comes home that he is not treated as a murderer, faced with hate by those who profess love and peace.
    Last edit by nursenoelle on Mar 18, '03
  7. by   ChainedChaosRN
    You can bet on one thing...France won't get any contracts. Not even their oil deal with Iraq will go through now.

    One thought I grew up with and always wondered is why did they let Hitler go on for so long and do nothing? Never did get a satisfactory answer to that one either.

    War is never right. Doing nothing is never right. Talking about stopping a maniac for years in the UN is not right.

    Mr. Bush our President got his war on 9/11/01 the day he was speaking to a class of school children. That was the day Americans got involved in the it what you want, refuse to see it for what it is. Saddam supports terrorists and has weapons of mass destruction. We will not sit back and wait for it to happen again.

    I can't help but wonder what the tone would be if a few thousands blood was shed in Australia...France, etc with financial backing from a terrorist regime. I already know if it happened there...who is the first country they would ask for assistance? They know the answer to that too. They also know the first country that would offer assistance without being asked. Personally I think it's time to rethink that.

    I could go on...but what's the point. What has happened has happened, what will happen will happen. Obviously at this point, we don't care what others think. It's time to take fate in our own or lose. Like us or not...we really don't give a damn.

    We are a peaceful nation, we don't throw the first punch, but if that first punch is thrown be ready for the fight...
  8. by   StuPer
    France agreed no contracts... they're contribution has been far to self motivated....
    US troops... OK but who put them in harms way, way before the UN had even got seriously going with inspections...
    and again, and again, and again, and again..... SADDAM HUSSEIN had nothing, nothing... to do with 9/11... don't you even trust your own intelligence agency???
    regards StuPer
  9. by   StuPer
    Especially to ChainedChaosRN

    "I could go on...but what's the point. What has happened has happened, what will happen will happen. Obviously at this point, we don't care what others think. It's time to take fate in our own or lose. Like us or not...we really don't give a damn."

    And this sad attitude to the rest of the world is precisely what got Mr A.Hitler into trouble in the 1930's.... plus a hundred other governments throughout history who believed they had the god given right to impose they're view of the world on the rest....... not one of those regimes/empires survives to this day. It appears Mr Bush believes he can prevail against the tide of human history.... it would be funny if it was'nt so tragic.
    regards StuPer
  10. by   kmchugh
    It's my job to have something to say.

    They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

    You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

    What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

    Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

    Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

    Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

    Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae - a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though - peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

    Some people - you, perhaps - think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

    Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning, and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

    But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

    I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

    In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure al- lowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

    You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well.

    On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

    As Americans, we will weep; as Americans, we will mourn; and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

    So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

    But you're about to learn.

    Not my words. The words of Leonard Pitts, columnist, from his column of 9/12/01. Fitting, I think, for today.

    And, Stu, you are wrong. See other threads, there are links between Iraqi run terrorist training camps and the methods used to hijack the airliners on 9/11. Or do you have access to classified CIA documents that the rest of us don't have?

    Kevin McHugh
  11. by   Glad2behere
    Wow Kevin,

    I forgot all about having read that article. Yes, very fitting, very fitting indeed. Thanks for posting it.


    You're comparison to Hitler's mentality is way way way waaay out there.
  12. by   StuPer
    Hello Kevin,
    No I am merely ointing out what the CIA said publically in the early day's of this crisis late alst year, which funnnily enough has'nt been repeated for some time. Kevin the words you quote are powerful and certainly not without provocation. the victims of 9/11 deserve to see justice....... but it is not in the sands of Iraq.

    It is my sad duty to report that I believe the first new victims of Mr Bush's decision have died. In a breaking news report I saw on the BBS just minutes ago, an American and Canadian oil worker, plus they're Yemeni co-worker have been killed by a gunman who then turned the gun on himself. I pray that this is'nt the first of many, but my heart says the mother of all panodra's boxes is about to be opened.
    And Kevin the training camps alluded to in Colin Powell's statement to the UN were shown the next day to be run down small scale industrial sites... now I'm not stupid, I'm as cynical as most re: anything coming out of Iraq... but they sure looked as described. Further almost all terrorist groups of Islamic origin hate Saddam Hussein with a passion, one because he represents an imperialist muslim state, but also because they view his state as a co-creation of the US.
    regards StuPer
  13. by   ChainedChaosRN is not my job to educate you on terrorism or Hitler.

    Maybe you haven't gotten to see all the news reports, articles etc...that we in America have been following since 9/11. There are links to their involvement....educate yourself. Look beyond what is readily offered in front of you. If you choose not be it. It will not change the course of things.

    Thank you Kmchugh..for reposting that article. It says it all.
  14. by   semstr

    There were human beings in the towers from all over the world.