Mother accused of tossing 3 kids on the Bay

  1. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1232304

    SAN FRANCISCO Oct 20, 2005 -- A woman who authorities said was hearing voices tossed her three young children off a pier into San Francisco Bay. Rescuers had found one body, and the other two children were feared dead.
    The mother, Lashaun Harris, 23, of Oakland, was booked on three counts of murder, the San Francisco Chronicle reported in Thursday's editions. Her children were identified as Trayshaun Harris, 6, Travante Greely, 3, and Joshua Harris, 1.
    A child's body was found about four hours after a witness reported seeing a woman drop the children into the bay near Pier 7 Wednesday, said Jonathan Guerra of the U.S. Coast Guard.
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  2. 31 Comments

  3. by   Jessy_RN
    My heart is still aching after learning about this
  4. by   SouthernLPN2RN
    I saw that on the news last night. They said that she said the voices in her head told her to do it. I believe I would have to argue with any voices that told me to do something like that!! It's so horrible!!!!!! Those poor kids didn't stand a chance. :angryfire
  5. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from southernlpn
    I saw that on the news last night. They said that she said the voices in her head told her to do it. I believe I would have to argue with any voices that told me to do something like that!! It's so horrible!!!!!! Those poor kids didn't stand a chance. :angryfire
    It takes so much to even "try" to understand her. I am not going to judge her but nonetheless this is soooo heart wrenching and hard to stomach.
  6. by   grannynurse FNP student
    The loss of three small children is tragic but the crucifixion of the mother is even worse. She is mentally ill. The curent standard of ascertaining if she knew right from wrong is based on a more then one hundred year old rule of law that is based on outmoded standards. What useful purpose will be served to try this mother and place her in prison, other then some misguided public lust to punish.

    Grannynurse
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I can't say how sick this makes me. I have no idea as to the mental stability or lack of it, on the mother's part. I have seen some mighty manipulative types in the past, who claim mental illness, so who knows. Evil exists, that is for sure.

    IF she is sick, I hope she gets proper treatment, and never has another baby again.
  8. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I can't say how sick this makes me. I have no idea as to the mental stability or lack of it, on the mother's part. I have seen some mighty manipulative types in the past, who claim mental illness, so who knows. Evil exists, that is for sure.

    IF she is sick, I hope she gets proper treatment, and never has another baby again.

    I have been an RN for more then thirty years and have heard of one mother who murdered her children and she is in prison. I have followed the trials of several mothers, including Ms Yates, and watched several grave miscarriages of justice, in my opinion. One does generally not murder one's children, then claim mental illness. Mental illness, especially in this wonderfully enlightened country, is one of the most difficult defenses to sustain. And even more difficult to win. What this country needs is a more enlightened legal mental illness definition and more funding for mental health treatment, without the stigma attached to it.

    Given that she has been charged with three counts of murder and given the enlighted attitude of today's society, at he minimum, she will spend a long time in prison without the necessary treatment she needs.

    Grannynurse
  9. by   URO-RN
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    One does generally not murder one's children, then claim mental illness.
    What this country needs is a more enlightened legal mental illness definition and more funding for mental health treatment, without the stigma attached to it.
    Given that she has been charged with three counts of murder and given the enlighted attitude of today's society, at he minimum, she will spend a long time in prison without the necessary treatment she needs.
    Grannynurse
    Same here.
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Really, there is less stigma than ever attached to suffering and seeking treatment for various mental illnesses----some people make a real go of being "victimized" in some cases due to disability and illness. But there is help for those who truly need it---more than ever, there ARE resources. These things are talked about much more openly than ever---albeit not a perfect world, there is more available for people suffering mental illness than in generations past. There are more agencies and help available than ever. I am sorry , I am appalled by this crime; there is NO reason or "excuse" for tossing your children into the Bay, one by one. If that makes me judgemental, I guess so, I am.

    Was there NO one around her to see how disturbed she was? If anything is failing here, it's a support system for such a woman who is so apparently disturbed. That is a crying shame, for her but even more so, those helpless kids.



    I am sorry, I think judgement is warranted in some cases----I know there will be no justice for those dead kids that we can mete out fairly. But that is only my opinion.This act was heinous in my eyes..... IF she is sick, like I said, I hope she gets the help she needs, and never again gives birth. I really hope this with all my heart.
  11. by   fergus51
    I am also horrified at this terrible crime, but I can't summon any anger for this woman who was clearly completely out of touch with reality. I read today that one of her family members even contacted a social worker or something trying to gain custody of the children. Even though they were living in a shelter and the mom was off her meds, the social worker said that wouldn't be possible. I hope there is something that will change in our system.
  12. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Really, there is less stigma than ever attached to suffering and seeking treatment for various mental illnesses----some people make a real go of being "victimized" in some cases due to disability and illness. But there is help for those who truly need it---more than ever, there ARE resources. These things are talked about much more openly than ever---albeit not a perfect world, there is more available for people suffering mental illness than in generations past. There are more agencies and help available than ever. I am sorry , I am appalled by this crime; there is NO reason or "excuse" for tossing your children into the Bay, one by one. If that makes me judgemental, I guess so, I am.

    Was there NO one around her to see how disturbed she was? If anything is failing here, it's a support system for such a woman who is so apparently disturbed. That is a crying shame, for her but even more so, those helpless kids.



    I am sorry, I think judgement is warranted in some cases----I know there will be no justice for those dead kids that we can mete out fairly. But that is only my opinion.This act was heinous in my eyes..... IF she is sick, like I said, I hope she gets the help she needs, and never again gives birth. I really hope this with all my heart.
    I would like to share a story with you. Here, in Charlotte County, during the summer of 2003 we had a seven year old child killed by her mother. Her mother then stripped off her clothes and ran off in the woods, To make a long story short, she pl eaes guilty and has been sent off to prison for a long time. What is wrong with this picture? She was severely mentally ill. Her parents tried, numerous times, to have her admitted to a local mental health facility. For reasons known only to those fools, she was not deemed dangerous to herself or others. I do not know about other states but Florida has closed its state facilities, without funding and opening community based facilities. What I hope for is that both the professionals and the poloticians wake up and adequately fund mental health services. A darn sight more then now.

    Grannynurse
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from grannynurse FNP student
    I would like to share a story with you. Here, in Charlotte County, during the summer of 2003 we had a seven year old child killed by her mother. Her mother then stripped off her clothes and ran off in the woods, To make a long story short, she pl eaes guilty and has been sent off to prison for a long time. What is wrong with this picture? She was severely mentally ill. Her parents tried, numerous times, to have her admitted to a local mental health facility. For reasons known only to those fools, she was not deemed dangerous to herself or others. I do not know about other states but Florida has closed its state facilities, without funding and opening community based facilities. What I hope for is that both the professionals and the poloticians wake up and adequately fund mental health services. A darn sight more then now.

    Grannynurse
    I was discussing this with my husband, who had the same reaction to this woman as alot of people do - anger. I talked to him about our social service system, which is so inadequate. Obviously this woman needed help and family tried to get the kids.

    As a mom though, all I can see is the terror of those poor children as they were tossed into the water and then the terror of drowning. Then imagining our 4 year old - his face - his fear. You have to make yourself stop but it is hard. It is very hard not to be angry at the mom.

    We are human. We are parents. Our hearts break.

    steph
  14. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from fergus51
    I am also horrified at this terrible crime, but I can't summon any anger for this woman who was clearly completely out of touch with reality. I read today that one of her family members even contacted a social worker or something trying to gain custody of the children. Even though they were living in a shelter and the mom was off her meds, the social worker said that wouldn't be possible. I hope there is something that will change in our system.
    Wise words.

    Apparently the woman had been diagnosed a schizophrenic and was off her medications. Our society has damn few resources for people who need them, and TPTB just love it that schizophrenics have absolutely no insight into their illness.

    The hope lies in the fact that they're developing a q wkly injection. But it still takes time to work and it still requires monitoring to maintain stability.

    I'm sure that when this woman is more stable on her medications, she'll feel plenty of anguish.

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