the state capitol was awash tuesday in protests as thousands gathered to voice opposition to a bill by gov. scott walker that would greatly weaken organized labor in wisconsin.
more than 10,000 protesters crowded the southwest side of the capitol building, many of them carrying signs and chanting "recall walker." meanwhile, inside, thousands crowded the rotunda and watched tvs set up to broadcast the public hearing scheduled to discuss the governor's proposal.
unveiled friday, walker's plan would remove collective bargaining rights for most of the 175,000 state and local employees, allowing workers to negotiate only over salary. walker, however, exempted most law enforcement, firefighters and wisconsin state patrol troopers from the change....
... on tuesday, members of the fire fighters union received a loud ovation from the crowd outside the capitol as they marched through holding signs that showed their solidarity with their fellow state and local employees....
Feb 17, '11
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Not specifically, but the unions' agreements as to pensions is clearly a factor in how badly some states financial situation are. Illinois and California come to mind. I don't have specifics, but anytime a taxpayer-funded agreement includes retiring at 50 or 55 and the retiree's pension is as much as or even more than they made while actually working, it can and does create a negative cash flow problem for the state.
Things definiately need to be looked at. Obviously when states paying the salaries and pension it's a negatitve cash flow, I don't see how one could expect a positive cash flow.
At lot of teachers start teaching at age 21 and by the time they hit their 50's they are ready to retire from burnout and because they have that option. A lot of teachers retire to FL and it's rare that one works into his/her late 60's. Perhaps there should be an age requirement, rather than a time requirement.
I know you're saying you don't have specifics but how can it be that their retirement incomes are higher than their income, unless it's because after 30 years of it equals more than what they make. I can see that happening, but I'm not sure how that works.
We have the same issue in FL where the governor is proposing they pay for their own pensions plans, about 5% of their income. The sad thing is they haven't gotten a raise in years. Private pensions paid for by employers or the state have gone by the wayside years ago. I think it's time for public workers to make the same sacrifice as the rest of us. My employer-paid pension plan ended 15 years ago.
Still, scapgoating entitlemenets to public sector employees as the reason states are bankrupt isn't fair. That's kind of like sayingn the reason healthcare is such a mess is because of "entitlements" paid to nurses. However, since it's public money it needs to be spent wisely, and these things need to be cut, along with everything else.
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Feb 17, '11
democrats missing from wisconsin capitol ahead of union vote
police officers were dispatched thursday to find wisconsin state lawmakers who had apparently boycotted a vote on a sweeping bill that would strip most government workers of their collective bargaining rights.
… republicans hold a 19-14 majority, but they need at least one democrat to be present before taking a vote on the bill.
“today they checked out, and i'm not sure where they're at,” republican senate majority leader scott fitzgerald said. “this is the ultimate shutdown, what we're seeing today.”
democratic minority leader mark miller released a statement on behalf of all democrats urging gov. scott walker and republicans to listen to opponents of the measure and seek a compromise. his statement did not address where democrats were or when they planned to return.
bill opponents in the senate gallery cheered when senate president mike ellis announced that there were not enough senators present to proceed.
the bill came to the senate after the legislature's budget committee endorsed it just before midnight wednesday.
walker and republican leaders have said they have the votes to pass the plan.
that didn't stop thousands of protesters from clogging the hallway outside the senate chamber beating on drums, holding signs deriding walker and pleading for lawmakers to kill the bill.
slide show - http://www.channel3000.com/slideshow...53/detail.html
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