Missouri Voter ID law struck down

  1. should the election commissioners be allowed to refuse to allow anyone the right to vote if they don't have a govt issued id

    it would seem that getting people to show an id would be good way of assuring that the election is legal and aboveboard . we have a lot of people in this country who are not qualified to vote

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  2. 36 Comments

  3. by   mercyteapot
    We have to show ID here... I have always used my driver's license. I don't know if any non-government issued ID would be acceptable or not.
  4. by   Roy Fokker
    Since IDs cannot be forged and having 'government issued' ID qualifies you as an 'effective' voter....


    ... right?
  5. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Since IDs cannot be forged and having 'government issued' ID qualifies you as an 'effective' voter....


    ... right?
    If you're motivated enough, you can work to undermine ANY rule.

    Take our southern border. Nobody expects a wall or any other device will prevent all illegal entries. But, we CAN work to reduce them.

    An ID would at least mean that someone would have to WORK at undermining the system. That's better than leaving the doors unlocked and wide open to our voting 'candy store'.

    An ID system that 'asks you to tell' or, show proof, that you are entitled to vote would be a considerable improvement over our current 'don't ask, don't tell' philosophy.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 23, '06
  6. by   VivaLasViejas
    Oh, great, just what we need---another big-government program to force citizens to "prove" ourselves. No thank you, I'd rather have a few ineligible voters sneak into the polls (hey, at least THEY care enough to vote!!) than give the Nanny State another way to track our activities.
  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Another Big Gov't Program? Really.

    How many Citizens really don't have a government picture ID now?

    This program already exists and is evident anytime an agent for the State asks you, "May I see your driver's license, Ma'am?"

    There doesn't need to be a new program, only a tweaking of the current one. Most States offer an "ID card" similar to a driver's license with the stipulation that it is just for ID purposes. It would not take much to add a 'waiver' of the already low fee involved with such IDs in order to avoid any concept of a 'poll tax'.

    If you aren't motivated to participate in our society enough to ALREADY have such an ID, or to seek one if offered for free, then you really don't need to be voting, anyway.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of 'get out the vote' drives. I'd rather nobody actually votes but ME. If you aren't motivated to do so for your OWN civics purposes, then maybe you shouldn't.

    If you're not actually entitled to vote: you certainly shouldn't!!! I don't think it's too much to ask that you actually be entitled to the franchise to use it.

    Or to express the concept as it was expressed in a BBC comments section after our last election: It's not fair that only Americans get to vote for 'the leader of the Free World'. I disagree.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 23, '06
  8. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    This program already exists and is evident anytime an agent for the State asks you, "May I see your driver's license, Ma'am?"
    Exactly!

    Which is why the government passed the REAL ID Act.

    Oh wait...

    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    If you aren't motivated to participate in our society enough to ALREADY have such an ID, or to seek one if offered for free, then you really don't need to be voting, anyway.
    Sorry, just because someone refuses to own an ID for philosophical or moral reasons doesn't mean they are "not motivated enough for participate in society".

    Make me an ID that is non-invasive and I'll carry one for your consideration.


    cheers,
  9. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Exactly!

    Which is why the government passed the REAL ID Act.

    Oh wait...

    Sorry, just because someone refuses to own an ID for philosophical or moral reasons doesn't mean they are "not motivated enough for participate in society".

    Make me an ID that is non-invasive and I'll carry one for your consideration.


    cheers,
    Your point would be valid, except.

    It's already QUITE mandatory to truly participate in society. If you don't want to have one for PHILOSOPHICAL or MORAL purposes, then how can you conscience a social security number? And without that, how can you work, buy anything on credit, or otherwise 'participate' in society?

    Simply put, if this is a philosophical or moral issue for you, then voting is the least of the burdens you face.

    You might be correct that philosophical or moral rationales might be a sufficient motivation to NOT participate in society, but then, you can't really complain when society doesn't accommodate such views.

    I know that you are libertarian and a disdain for government is status quo, and, I'll submit, probably even healthy. But. You shouldn't expect the government to reach out to YOU when you want none of it.

    I see no inherent conflict with the thought that addressing the government requires minimally accessing it.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  10. by   mercyteapot
    I really don't understand how verifying my identity to avoid fraudulent election results amounts to anything that could be considered remotely morally or philosophically repugnant. And this is coming from someone who has issues aplenty with many government mandates and restrictions....
  11. by   CHATSDALE
    ROY please don't take this as bellerigent but what do you mean by noninvasive..my driver license shows name address, photo and before ca dx the choice of being an organ donor...ss# is optional
    i have to show ss# and nursing liscense when i go to apply for a job..surely voting is at least as important
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    I don't mind showing ID to vote.

    I want the ensure all votes are counted accurately and only once.
    Even if we have to go back to paper ballots.
  13. by   mercyteapot
    Showing my ID is also a way of protecting my voting privilege. Otherwise, what is to stop someone who wants to vote twice from claiming to be me the second time around?
  14. by   VivaLasViejas
    I thought y'all were talking about a NEW program of some sort. Heck, I wouldn't object to being asked for my driver's license AND my precinct card at the polls (although here in Oregon, all voting is by mail); what this sounded like was another layer of bureaucracy over and above what we already have now. Mea culpa.

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