Minister Louis Farrakhan

  1. I was watching CNN early this morning and saw a statement by the leader of the Nation of Islam, Minister Louis Farrakhan (I'm probably spelling that wrong, my apologies). Apparently the older sniper converted to the muslim religion under the Nation of Islam, attended the Million Man March and purportedly served as part of the security force. The "official" security gaurds of the Nation of Islam are called the "Fruit of Islam" - you'll see them with hats on that have the initials "FOI".

    From the report I gathered that the Nation of Islam has come under question and has been questioned regarding the sniper. It's no secret that Minister Farrakhan has made inflammatory statements against white people in the past. Yet, I don't think anyone believes these sniper attacks were race-motivated.

    For the record, I do not subscribe to all the teachings and preachings of the Nation of Islam. It does have it's good points in encouraging it's followers against drugs, proper diet, morality and attitude, YET, it still has it's controversy in it's treatment of women, the denouncing of other religions and it's history of disagreement with integration.

    I mention this as I found Minister Farrakhan's statement to the press most interesting. He stated that when Timothy McVeigh was being investigated and prosecuted, his religion (T. McVeigh stated he was a Christian) did not come under fire. Because this sniper, another home-grown terrorist, was a muslim, his religion and religious ties came under question.

    Interesting allegory. In a different time and a different place I would have agreed with Minister Farrakhan on this point. HOWEVER, since 9-11, like it or not, be it wrong or right, we feel under fire and under attack by Muslim extremists. Once bitten, twice shy, right?
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  2. 15 Comments

  3. by   kelligrl
    As much as I hate to admit it, he's got a point. However, I agree with you that the general climate of America is very different than it was at the time of the Oklahoma City bombings. Reasonably you would think that this fact should be understood.

    Having said that, I have a difficult time with the message of Louis Farrakahn. While it's always admirable to try and steer those who admire and follow your teachings towards personal responsibility, the rest of the message that he brings to the table leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He's hateful towards whites, Jews, women, and probably others that I can't think of at the moment (Halloween party last night ). To me that puts him squarely in line with all the other racists in the world that I find repulsive and maddening. He's obviously a brilliant man, I find it most unfortunate that he chooses to send messages that are so divisive. Excellent topic...
  4. by   nurs4kids
    I think another difference, Las Vegas...
    Christianity does NOT preach/teach hate..

    Farrakhan Islam does..
  5. by   kmchugh
    I have difficulty calling Farrakhan "minister," truth be told. A minister is someone who leads a flock by example. A minister does not judge others by the color of their skin, be it black, white, or purple. A minister does not preach a ministry of hate, bigotry, sexism, or violence. In my mind, Farrakhan is no different than Fred Phelps, of Topeka, Kansas. Both preach hatred, bigotry, and racism, and wrap it up in a false religion to make it more palatable.

    Kevin McHugh
  6. by   LasVegasRN
    Granted, the Nation of Islam (NOI) leaves a bitter taste in a LOT of mouths, but, not to get on the subject of NOI itself, I'm hoping for opinions on his statement. Is the press and investigators being unfair in their probe into the NOI's involvement? Does the leader of NOI have a valid point?
  7. by   rebelwaclause
    Yeah...He has a point. Whenever someone commits a heinous crime here in America, the press/media doesn't automatically associate the perpetrator with a religion, as they have with the snipper.

    But I have to notice, the snipper killed several caucasians and one black guy. And I think the black guy was a mistake, because it was a botched up murder. It's not my intention to sound so "removed", the sniper killings where HORRIBLE, for lack of better words.
  8. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by rebelwaclause
    Yeah...He has a point. Whenever someone commits a heinous crime here in America, the press/media doesn't automatically associate the perpetrator with a religion, as they have with the snipper.
    See, that's the thing. I'm trying to look past my distaste for the NOI and determine if he has a valid point or not.
  9. by   whipping girl in 07
    I would have to disagree with the person who said that Timothy McVeigh's religion was not brought up in regards to the OK City bombing. If I remember correctly, as soon as he was picked up, the talk about his being a fundamentalist Christian and member of a militia group started and continued until after his execution last year. He gave fundamentalist Christians and militias a really bad name, based on what the press has had to say about them. Being that I am originally from rural Arkansas, I can tell you that I know many fundamentalist Christians and militia members. You know, you've seen the expose's on 20/20 and Dateline about the survivalist groups who train in a military style and believe our government is corrupt and out to infringe upon their rights. They are ready to take up arms against our government. They see Waco and Ruby Ridge as being examples of our government infringing on citizens' rights to be left alone. I am inclined to agree. I know it's been very difficult for the militia members and fundamentalist Christians who mind their own business and do not incite violence to be lumped in with people like Timothy McVeigh, who killed hundreds of innocent people to make his point about his disagreement with our government and it's policies. I'm sure it's just as hurtful to the members of the Nation of Islam who've been lumped in with the likes of John Muhammed and Muslims who've been lumped in with Mohammed Atta and Osama bin Laden.

    Extremists exist in EVERY religion and political movement. They usually do not represent the majority, yet they are the ones who get the most attention.

    I don't think the press is wrong for delving into the NOI, looking for a connection. I seriously doubt they will find one. The press looks for a connection to something whenever a crime is committed. If the sniper had been a white supremecist (sp?) fundamentalist Christian, the press would be all over that too. However, if the sniper had been a quiet atheist or Catholic, we probably wouldn't hear anything about it, because it doesn't make for an interesting connection.

    If I remember correctly, on the thread about profiling the sniper, a lot of people thought that he probably was another Timothy McVeigh type.

    JMHO.
  10. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    HOWEVER, since 9-11, like it or not, be it wrong or right, we feel under fire and under attack by Muslim extremists. Once bitten, twice shy, right?
    I think you hit the nail on the head Vegas.
  11. by   LasVegasRN
    Great post, Konni!
  12. by   kaycee
    Originally posted by rebelwaclause

    But I have to notice, the snipper killed several caucasians and one black guy. And I think the black guy was a mistake, because it was a botched up murder. It's not my intention to sound so "removed", the sniper killings where HORRIBLE, for lack of better words.
    He actually killed 2 blacks, 1 hispanic and I believe 1 man of middle eastern descent. I don't think race or his religion was a factor. I think his targets were who ever he got in his sights at the time.
    They think now his motive purely was for money.
  13. by   Brownms46
    I believe he does have a point, and I don't think that a person's religion ...unless it was done because of the religion should have any bearing this case. It is evident his killings weren't about race. Since this man/men killed several blacks including allegedly his first victim...I don't see the point in discussing his religion at all!
  14. by   nursenoelle
    Farrakhan is using the sniper attacks as a platform. He is inflamatory , but also intelligent enough to know that wrong or right, it will take a very long time for the stereotype to fade. Many people will fear and misunderstand the Muslim faith. Do you ever really hear much from Farrakhan unless it is white V black? Nope, not unless you look. Clustering as Konnie has pointed out is gonna happen. Always has , always will.

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