Mass shooting at Texas church - 20 + Killed

  1. First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, TX, was the scene of another senseless mass shooting this morning about 11:30 am during the Sunday morning service. At least 27 people have been killed and more than two dozen injured.

    The shooter took off after the shooting with police officers in pursuit. The gunman was killed after a short chase. It is unclear if the shooter was killed by police or if he took his own life.

    There are still lots of unknowns about the shooter.

    For more on this story see: At least 20 people killed in shooting at Texas church
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  2. 40 Comments

  3. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Not just New York City, or Paris, but little quiet towns much like the one in which I grew up.
    It is so heart-wrenching and sickening. Congregants gathered to worship make an easy target for sick cowards like the shooter.

    But WHY?

    I suppose, though, that no 'discovered' reason would explain it, anyway. The 'why' isn't really pertinent; that it happens, and keeps happening . . .is beyond appalling.
  4. by   BCgradnurse
    The shooter was a 25 year old American white male. Not a member of Isis, not an illegal immigrant. A young man whose Facebook profile picture was an AR-15.

    I seriously want to slap the next person who says they are sending thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers have done nothing. These people were murdered while they were praying. I blame the culture in this country which has made the right to own guns more sacred than human lives. The politicians who are owned by the NRA and feed into the gun lust that has possessed this country.

    Time to enact some common sense gun laws. But nothing will be done. Sandy Hook made that abundantly clear. Nothing will be discussed until Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell's family are shot, or until Ivanka Trump's children are kidnapped and shot. Then we might be able to have a conversation.
  5. by   tnbutterfly
    OK. Then you are going to have to slap me because I am praying for the congregants of the church as well as the small town as they are in deep grief right now. I can't go there but I can send prayers and I do believe in the power of prayer.
  6. by   BCgradnurse
    How about getting in touch with your elected officials and demanding that something be done?

    I respect your views on prayer, but the shootings would have stopped if prayer had that much power, as millions have been praying. It's done nothing to stop these senseless acts. Sorry, but I'm way past that. This country should be past that at this point and should be demanding action. People, including our so-called leaders, send their thoughts and prayers and then put it all behind them and go about their day. The same thing will happen in another week or two. And again, and again.

    Thoughts and prayers just don't cut it anymore for me.
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Nov 5
  7. by   azhiker96
    More information coming to light from different MSM sources. The shooter had been court marshaled by the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child. He was confined for 12 months, demoted, and given a dishonorable discharge in 2014. He purchased the rifle at a gun store which means he passed the Federal background check.

    With a dishonorable discharge he could not legally purchase or own a firearm. How did that slip through the cracks during the background check?
  8. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from azhiker96
    More information coming to light from different MSM sources. The shooter had been court marshaled by the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child. He was confined for 12 months, demoted, and given a dishonorable discharge in 2014. He purchased the rifle at a gun store which means he passed the Federal background check.

    With a dishonorable discharge he could not legally purchase or own a firearm. How did that slip through the cracks during the background check?
    That's a good question. Maybe the background check wasn't run? If that's the case, the store owner should be charged with accessory to murder. If not, then the system needs re-vamping.
  9. by   Farawyn
    What BC Grad says.

    In other news, does anyone else find themselves becoming numb to this?
    I do.
    And that's not me.
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Again, Texas is a state with very relaxed gun laws.

    Is anybody really surprised that yet another massacre has occurred, and occurred in another state with lax gun laws? Nobody should be surprised.

    We all know what needs to be done. If you disagree, please encourage the president of the NRA to attend the funerals of victims, and tell their survivors they should be proud their loved ones died, so others can own assault-style guns.

    I heard a remark by an NPR member station reporter in Texas that amazed me. He said he was surprised this incident happened in this particular town because everybody in town owns guns.

    Surprised? He should have expected it. Guns beget gun violence.

    Remember people, YOU aren't safe in a movie theatre, church or school. But everybody is FREE to own as many assault rifles as their money can buy!
  11. by   herring_RN
    The Virginia Tech shooter was deemed by a judhe as a danger to himself and others, yer bought hi weapons. He didn't pass the background check in Virginia so went across the state line and passed their background check.

    Yesterday's killer committed his crime in New Mexico and was able to buy his weapons in Texas.

    Neither of them should have been sold a firearm under current law!

    The person or persons who vandalized the Northern California Jewish Temple must lose their right to bear arms too! (In my opinion)
    Anti-Semitic posters in California portray Jews as rapists
    Northern California synagogue vandalized with posters portraying Jews as rapists, using anti-Semitic slurs, and praising Hitler's 'warning'.
    ... Members of congregation Or Rishon on Saturday morning discovered about 10 to 15 of the hate posters stuck to the building, The Sacramento Bee reported.
    They were placed on the building overnight between Friday and Saturday.
    The posters included one seemingly justifying the June 2015 mass-shooting committed by white supremacist Dylann Roof at a predominantly black church in South Carolina, killing nine. Other posters featured anti-Semitic caricatures....
    Anti-Semitic posters in California portray Jews as rapists - Israel National News
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    The 1st Baptist Church was in Texas, not NM.
    Yes, I agree that any evidence of violent tendencies which cross them with authorities should disqualify them for gun ownership.

    NEB
  13. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    If everybody's DNA was taken, they'd find out how MANY parts of themselves come from the 'others' over whom they feel superiority, and espouse hatred of.
    It would be a rude shock to some, but then again you've got your deniers, so it probably would make very little difference.

    What a bunch of cowardly chicken-splats with grandiose and twisted agendas.
    Wonder why hanging the heads of criminals in the public square for the crows to eat went out of fashion?
    That might take the 'glamour' away from being an infamous murderer...no mention of their name in the paper, just a rotting head would be their legacy.
    Last edit by No Stars In My Eyes on Nov 6
  14. by   herring_RN
    His conviction for assault on his wife and child were in New Mexico. I heard on the radio that he fractured his baby's skull. He should not have been able to pass a background check and purchase a firearm.
    ...Devin P. Kelley, who served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico starting in 2010, was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts alleging assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Ann Stefanek, the chief of Media Operations for the Air Force, said in a statement.

    Kelley was convicted and sentenced to 12 months in custody and given a bad conduct discharge, Stefanek said. He was discharged in 2014.

    The 1968 Gun Control Act made it unlawful for a licensed firearms dealer to sell a weapon to a person with a dishonorable discharge or for such a person "to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce."

    Officials have said they found multiple weapons in Kelley's vehicle when he died. They have not said how he obtained them...
    Man identified as Texas shooter was court-martialed for assault on his spouse and child - LA Times

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