Mass shooting at Texas church - 20 + Killed - page 2

First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, TX, was the scene of another senseless mass shooting this morning about 11:30 am during the Sunday morning service. At least 27 people have been killed and... Read More

  1. by   Lil Nel
    He was able to pass a background check and purchase the weapon of choice of mass shooters, the beloved AR-15, because the Air Force never reported his domestic violence charge to the proper authorities.
  2. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from Lil Nel
    He was able to pass a background check and purchase the weapon of choice of mass shooters, the beloved AR-15, because the Air Force never reported his domestic violence charge to the proper authorities.
    Great. Hope the responsible parties in the Air Force never have another good night of sleep.
  3. by   Lil Nel
    I pulled this out from an article in today's NYTimes. It states what thinking people already know, and that is the reason why this country has so many mass shootings, is because the society is awash in guns.

    And the Bum's solution to the problem is more guns. Obviously, that isn't the answer because it brought us to the place where we are now. This is a sick, and sad society that I take no pride in.

    Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world's guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama.
  4. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Hubby said that even if guns were severely restricted, from only certain kinds... to none being legal at all, people wold still be able to get pretty much whatever they wanted, provided they had the $ to pay. It's kind of like drugs in that way; if there is any kind of buyer out there, there will be a seller, because money talks. He doesn't think the public should have access to a lot of the weapons out there today, but he also doesn't know what the answer is to this dilemma, either.
    He is a gun owner. We both used to have concealed carry permits; but my hands can't handle a gun very well any more, and therefore it would be unsafe for me to have one. He doesn't have his concealed carry permit anymore because we can't handle the expense of renewal. We do have several guns at the house, but because hubby used to work as a Special Deputy with the Sheriff's Dept, he follows all the rules and regulations of safe and responsible gun ownership, and they are unloaded and under lock and key.
    Fortunately we are both mentally healthy enough that we don't pose a danger to anyone.

    Several somebody's heads will roll for the "clerical error" that allowed the most recent shooter to buy or own a gun. But it won't solve the problem.
  5. by   Lil Nel
    Well, yes, of course if all guns were outlawed a black market would exist for them. There is already a black market for guns, and just about anything else that is illegal and legal.

    But the last time I noticed, this country doesn't refrain from passing anti-drug laws simply because there would be "black market" for them anyway. It is only GUNS that bring up this weak argument. And that is because the terror group known as the NRA and sold this simplistic outlook, and US politicians, bought by the terror group swallow the line hook, line and sinker. Unfortunately, a large number of the general public also subscribe to the notion.

    If this is the case, why enact any laws? Somebody will still commit crimes, so why bother at all?

    This isn't a line of thought I can respect.
  6. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Yeah, I agree...and it scalds my butt when Trump says, "This is not the time to talk about guns." Yeah? Like WHEN IS?
    When the news seems always to lead off with a "Massacre of the Week" story, I'd say it was well PAST time. Between the NRA Lobbyists and the "Big Pharma" Lobbyists, you KNOW politicians have been bought in a big, twisted, undeniable way. ( As a side comment, I wish they would outlaw Lobbyists altogether.)

    eta: I don't think hubby was saying "Why bother making laws?" He was commenting on the generally widespread greed and avarice of the human condition that has been going on for a long, long time.
  7. by   Lil Nel
    I agree, Stars. The line of thought that states: Now isn't the time talk about gun control, is simply a way of kicking the can on down the road.

    You're right. With a new mass shooting occurring every week, or every other week, there will NEVER be a time to discuss the real problem: too many guns in circulation in the US.

    But that is what NRA is counting on, isn't it?

    I don't really expect anything to happen. Do you? If 20 six-year-olds can be slaughtered in their school and Congress refuses to act, well, what the hell does the death of 26 church-goers mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    As BC stated, something will only happen when a member of Mitch McConnell's family or the Bum's family is shot and killed.
  8. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I agree, Stars. The line of thought that states: Now isn't the time talk about gun control, is simply a way of kicking the can on down the road.

    You're right. With a new mass shooting occurring every week, or every other week, there will NEVER be a time to discuss the real problem: too many guns in circulation in the US.

    But that is what NRA is counting on, isn't it?

    I don't really expect anything to happen. Do you? If 20 six-year-olds can be slaughtered in their school and Congress refuses to act, well, what the hell does the death of 26 church-goers mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    As BC stated, something will only happen when a member of Mitch McConnell's family or the Bum's family is shot and killed.
    But what about the Brady Bill, named after the guy who got shot during the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan? Did that go anywhere or accomplish anything? Or wasn't he big enough or important enough to make a difference? Same with Gabby whose last name I can not recall just now.
    I wonder if some folks high up in the NRA met with their fates at the hands of a gunman, would things even change at all?
    Because where is the effing LINE?
  9. by   toomuchbaloney
    Congress let the weapon ban expire. The previously unavailable AR 15 has subsequently proven itself a favorite tool of the angry mass murderer.
  10. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Congress let the weapon ban expire. The previously unavailable AR 15 has subsequently proven itself a favorite tool of the angry mass murderer.
    GADS! Congress is a misnomer; they are unbelievably INCONGRUOUS with/to/for/of so many constituents and even common sense!
  11. by   Rose_Queen
    If the opposite of pro is con, what does that make Congress?
  12. by   nurseactivist
    I want to pseudaphed for a cold and I have to show my driver's license, but I can get a zillion guns with no problem??? Something is wrong...
  13. by   nurseactivist
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    The shooter was a 25 year old American white male. Not a member of Isis, not an illegal immigrant. A young man whose Facebook profile picture was an AR-15.

    I seriously want to slap the next person who says they are sending thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers have done nothing. These people were murdered while they were praying. I blame the culture in this country which has made the right to own guns more sacred than human lives. The politicians who are owned by the NRA and feed into the gun lust that has possessed this country.

    Time to enact some common sense gun laws. But nothing will be done. Sandy Hook made that abundantly clear. Nothing will be discussed until Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell's family are shot, or until Ivanka Trump's children are kidnapped and shot. Then we might be able to have a conversation.
    I saw this on facebook and I thought you might appreciate it:

    "Today is election day and if you are democrat, please get out and vote today.

    If you're a republican, thoughts and prayers are sufficient

    Jennifer Wright

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