Let's Play A Game

  1. Ok, let's play a game. Below is an address to the nation by the President. Tell me, who is speaking? Bush or Clinton?

    THE PRESIDENT: My national security team is about to update me and the Vice President on the status of our operation in Iraq. I'd like to begin by speaking for every American in expressing my gratitude to our men and women in uniform and also to our British allies, who are participating in this operation with us.

    I am convinced the decision I made to order this military action, though difficult, was absolutely the right thing to do. It is in our interest and in the interest of people all around the world. Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles before; I have no doubt he would use them again if permitted to develop them.

    When I halted military action against Saddam last November, after he had terminated the UNSCOM operations, I made it very clear that we were giving him a last chance to cooperate. Once again he promised in very explicit terms that he would fully cooperate. On Tuesday, the inspectors concluded that they were no longer able to do their jobs and that, in fact, he had raised even new barriers to their doing their jobs.

    Then yesterday morning I gave the order because I believe that we cannot allow Saddam Hussein to dismantle UNSCOM and resume the production of weapons of mass destruction with impunity. I also believe that to have done so would have, in effect, given him a green light for whatever he might want to do in his neighborhood. I think it would be a terrible, terrible mistake.

    We acted yesterday because Secretary Cohen and General Shelton strongly urged that we act at the point where we could have maximum impact with minimum risk to our own people because of the surprise factor. We also wanted to avoid initiating any military action during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which is slated to begin in just a couple of days.

    Our mission is clear: to degrade his capacity to develop and to use weapons of mass destruction or to threaten his neighbors. I believe we will achieve that mission, and I'm looking forward to getting this briefing.

    REPORTER: Mr. President, how are you going to stem the Republican drive to drive you out of office?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, the Constitution has a procedure for that and we will follow it.

    REPORTER: Mr. President, as you know, Senator Trent Lott and Dick Armey, the House Majority Leader, and other Republicans are questioning the timing, suggesting that this was simply a diversionary tactic to avoid an impeachment vote on the House floor. What do you say to those critics?

    THE PRESIDENT: That it's not true, that what I did was the right thing for the country. I don't think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing. And I don't believe any reasonably astute person in Washington would believe that Secretary Cohen and General Shelton and the whole rest of the National Security team would participate in such an action. This was the right thing for the country.

    We have given Saddam Hussein chance after chance to cooperate with UNSCOM. We said in November that this was the last chance. We got the report from Mr. Butler saying that he was not cooperating and, in fact, raised new barriers to cooperation. And we acted just as we promised we would. We acted swiftly because we were ready, thanks to the very fine work of the Defense Department in leaving our assets our properly deployed. We had the strong support of the British.

    And, I might add, I'm very gratified by the strong support we've gotten from people among both Democratic and Republican ranks in the Congress who are interested in national security -- people like Senator Helms, Senator McCain, Senator Warner, Senator Hagel, Senator Lugar, all have expressed support for this mission. So I feel good about where we are on that.

    REPORTER: Mr. President, will you confirm reports on ground troops in Kuwait?

    REPORTER: -- on the first day of the operation and would it undercut your authority if the House opened the impeachment debate during this operation?

    THE PRESIDENT: What was the first question, Terry?

    REPORTER: Bomb damage assessment.

    THE PRESIDENT: I'm about to get it.

    REPORTER: You didn't get any from Mr. Berger?

    THE PRESIDENT: Obviously, I've kept up with it as best I could, but I have not gotten a full report.

    REPORTER: But you think it is a success?

    THE PRESIDENT: I'm about to get a -- it's an ongoing mission. I want to wait --

    REPORTER: Because Joe Lockhart told us it was a success.

    REPORTER: And the undercut your authority, sir?

    THE PRESIDENT: No. First of all, I'm going to complete this mission -- we're going to complete this mission. And the Republican leaders will have to decide how to do their job. That's not for me to comment on.

    REPORTER: Can you confirm reports of Saddam Hussein possibly advancing and invading Kuwait and the possible use of ground troops, sir?

    THE PRESIDENT: No, I have no comment on that. I think that surely he knows what a disastrous mistake that would be.

    REPORTER: Mr. President, the Iraqis are saying there's been heavy civilian casualties in this. Do you have any information so far that that's true?

    THE PRESIDENT: I do not. I can tell you what I said last night -- we did everything we could to carefully target military and national security targets and to minimize civilian casualties. There is always a prospect that the missiles will miss, that they will be interrupted because of the missiles being fired at them, trying to deflect them from their intended targets. I am quite sure there will be, as I said last evening, unintended casualties and I regret that very much.

    That's one of the reasons that I have bent over backwards, not just in November, but also on previous occasions, to avoid using force in this case. I did not want to do it; I think all of you know it. But in November, we literally had planes in the air and I said that it would be the last chance. I think it is very important that we not allow Saddam Hussein to destroy the UNSCOM system without any penalty whatever, to eventually get all these sanctions lifted and to go right on just as if he never made any commitments that were unfulfilled on this score. I think it would have been a disaster for us to do this.

    And so, regrettably, I made this decision. There is, I believe, no way to avoid some unintended civilian casualties and I regret it very much. But I believe far, far more people would have died eventually from this man's regime had we not taken this action.
  2. 24 Comments

  3. by   kaycee
    ahhhh Clinton
  4. by   emily_mom
    it's gotta be Clinton.
  5. by   baseline
  6. by   RN-PA
    Clinton, of course. And here's the latest of his words of wisdom regarding the direction of our country:


    Bill blasts 'political mess' by W


    Former President Bill Clinton double-dissed President Bush last night, saying his successor in the White House has bungled handling the U.S. economy and the crisis over Iraq.

    Clinton, who drew standing ovations from a packed auditorium at the 92nd Street Y on the upper East Side, criticized the administration's economic policies as "wrongheaded" and getting worse.

    He said the 2001 tax cut turned the surplus he left into a "massive deficit" that he predicted eventually will drive up interest rates and create problems paying for Medicare and Social Security.

    "And now they want to give another tax cut," he told the audience of more than 1,000. "It doesn't make sense. We shouldn't do it now. It's against arithmetic."

    Asked what would have happened if he was still President or if Al Gore had taken the White House, Clinton said that the economy would have slowed, but added: "Would it have been as bad as it is now? I don't think so."

    On the issue of Iraq, Clinton said he supports booting dictator Saddam Hussein out of Baghdad and destroying his weapons, but he said Bush has made it more difficult to line up international cooperation for a possible war.

    Right after winning UN Security Council support in November for weapons inspections, the White House "sent 150,000 troops to the gulf, which convinced everybody we weren't serious about UN inspections. That's how we got into this political mess."

    The U.S. should be strengthening the UN and other "mechanisms of cooperation," Clinton said. "We need to be creating a world that we would like to live in when we're not the biggest power on the block."

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  7. by   Mkue
    I am convinced the decision I made to order this military action, though difficult, was absolutely the right thing to do. It is in our interest and in the interest of people all around the world. Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles before; I have no doubt he would use them again if permitted to develop them.

    This has got to be Clinton. Where was the division then? I think Susy has raised huge concerns pertaining to "partisan" and this War.
  8. by   molecule
    a four day bombing campaign like invasion, occupation and regime change?
  9. by   Q.
    Originally posted by molecule
    a four day bombing campaign like invasion, occupation and regime change?
    Would you like me to pull archives of Clinton advocating just those very things?

    By the way, Clinton didn't have UN approval to kill all those innocent Iraqi's. Where were the peace protestors then? Where where the human shields?

    Not to mention, are you saying that simply bombing the HELL out of a country is acceptable, rather than going in with an objective, and that is regime change? Or would you rather just bomb Iraq every few years?
    Last edit by Susy K on Mar 15, '03
  10. by   Q.
    Originally posted by molecule
    a four day bombing campaign like invasion, occupation and regime change?
    Maybe you should ask Bill Clinton:

    Now, over the long-term the best way to end the threat that Saddam poses to his own people in the region is for Iraq to have a different government. We will intensify our engagement with the Iraqi opposition groups, prudently and effectively. We will work with Radio Free Iraq, to help news and information flow freely to the country. And we will stand ready to help a new leadership in Baghdad that abides by its international commitments and respects the rights of its own people. We hope it will return Iraq to its rightful place in the community of nations.
    President Bill Clinton, addressing the nation, December 19, 1998.

    Full link

    Unless you were against this as well, molecule. Were you? Were you protesting in the streets during Operation Desert Fox?
  11. by   pickledpepperRN
    Why are we playing games?

    I know I'm silly and play games too but who cares what political party does it?
  12. by   Q.
    Am I to assume based on your comment that you were against Operation Desert Fox and the war in Kosovo too?
  13. by   WashYaHands
    The point that I see in this thread is that this conflict has been festering for the last 12 years and spans over 3 US government administrations since 1991.
    Operation Provide Comfort

    Operation Provide Comfort II

    Operation Northern Watch

    On December 16, 1998, United States Central Command (USCENTCOM) military forces launched cruise missile attacks against military targets in Iraq. These strikes were ordered by the President of the United States and were undertaken in response to Iraq's continued failure to comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions as well as their interference with United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) inspectors. The strikes were designed to deliver a serous blow to Saddam Hussein's capability to manufacture, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction and his ability to threaten or otherwise intimidate his neighbors.
    Operation Desert Fox
  14. by   Gomer
    1. War isn't a game

    2. Clinton is no longer in office. He can be blamed for what is happening today as much as Nixon can be blamed for selling arms to Iraq years ago. Why is it when the current administration is screwing-up we always blame the former administration?

    3. Powell is the one who wanted the "diplomatic" resolution and took the administration's case to the U.N.

    4. Bush will take the credit or the blame for what will happen in the next few months.