job hunting question....

  1. How do you all feel about applying online?

    I have a definite first choice for a fellowship/internship program I *really* want to be in. I have a great academic record, no healthcare experience. There is an apply online option at the hospital website, this is a major metropolitan hospital.

    Should I apply online, attach my resume?

    Or should I get the name of the nurse recruiter and mail in my cover letter and resume? I guess I'm just concerned because I want to make a good first impression and make sure my application isn't lost or deleted or anything.

    Please advise.

  2. 17 Comments

  3. by   spineCNOR
    Why not call the recruiter and ask whether she prefers snail mail or on-line applications?

    If you send your application snail mail I recommend sending it Priority Mail with delivery conformation--this will give you the assurance that it did indeed arrive.

    Best of luck to you!!!
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I applied and got a great job online last summer. It's can do so easily. If you don't hear back in a reasonable time (about a week or 10 days) you can always follow up. I had my online app/resume in on a Friday night and called for interview the next Monday morning. IT was very fast and easy.
  5. by   KRVRN
    I've found that if you don't specifically meet the criteria for the online job (which usually specifies experience), then applying online doesn't work. If you apply for the same job directly with a recruiter or nurse-manager of the unit, then they may be willing to hire you without experience. If the online description specifially says new grads welcome or something to that effect, then applying online might work. I agree with spineCNOR, ask the recruiter what she prefers. You may be able to fax it to her and be done with it.
  6. by   nurseman
    I applied online (and got) my last job. During the interview the nurse manager was under the impression that I faxed in my resume. They just printed the online application up and gave it to him.
  7. by   Stargazer
    What spineCNOR said. All things being equal, you're better off going straight to the source rather than via HR.

    (psst: nurseman! Love your sig line! Stealing it for my very own)
  8. by   MelRN13
    The recruiter that I've been talking to suggests applying online. He told me to apply in mid-Feb, even though I do not graduate until May. This hospital is in a major city in Michigan, and has 119 open RN positions.
  9. by   delirium
    Its a fellowship/internship particularly for new grads or nurses from other areas with no critical care experience.

    I have other questions with the online application, i.e. what is the minimum salary I will expect, yada yada yada. I just really don't know how to answer that question. I don't know anyone who works at this hospital so I'm not sure what the general salary is (although I will say that they are unionized and according to a news report I heard a few months back the nurses there are the highest paid nurses in the nation). What is outlandish? What is reasonable? If they are union, is everyone started at the same salary? If I ask for something lower than what that start rate is, am I screwed?

    I'll call the nurse recruiter in the am and ask what he/she prefers as far as mailed or online apps.

    Thanks for your help,
  10. by   nurseman
    Any union that I have heard about has people starting at a fixed pay rate for that job. Good Hunting Hope this helps

    Preparing an e-resume From

    One of the things you will quickly realize as your job search progresses is that every employer wants the same basic information. But each employer wants it served a different way. There are employers with online application forms, others with text box forms that invite you to cut and paste a cover letter and a resume and others that provide an email link and specify a file format for any correspondence. Of course, we also have that most curious employer who posts jobs online and then asks you to fax or worse yet mail your resume. What's a nurse to do?
    Even if most employer's haven't figured out how to use the internet properly there are still a few things you can do to make the job application process less painful. The beauty of digital technology is its ability to let us write once and use many times. Those wonderful aids, the mouse and the copy and paste buttons permit us to slice and dice our resume information so it is served exactly as any potential employer may want to see it. However, to be efficient and effective you must change the way you think about your resume and how its assembled. You must become a digital thinker.
    Compared with the good old days when presentation was everything, the digital age has almost completely destroyed any aesthetic considerations in the job application process. Today your resume if printed at all will be printed out on low grade copier stock, so that rich feel that you sought by having your resume reproduced on watermarked bond is gone forever. So are colours, fancy fonts, pictures or anything else decorative. Today it is just the facts and nothing but the facts, because anything else is a potential rejection in the digital world.
    Being digital and understood
    In the digital days of the e-resume your resume should be prepared using sans serif fonts, that is, the fonts with names like Arial, Helvetica or sans serif and a font size of no less than 10 point. This ensures that your resume if printed and then scanned into a database - yes, believe it or not some places are still doing this - will scan with a minimum chance of transcription errors.
    Plain language is important for two reasons. First, by using a clear concise writing style you tell your potential employer you know how to write - this is important. Secondly, the first viewing of your resume will probably be by someone who is not a nurse so they won't be moved by the fact that you can single handedly care for MSOF pts. on IABP, CVVH and HFJV. They will be moved if they can see quickly that you are a critical care nurse with 5 years of current experience. Databases are much the same as clerical workers, they will be asked to identify a limited number of keywords, nothing else will register.
    Learn to use keywords. This is much more difficult than it sounds because nursing, beyond its capacity for making up new and often nonsensical words, also likes to change generally accepted terms. For example, once upon a time, patients after an operation went to the recovery room. This term lacked precision so it became the post anaesthetic recovery room or PAR and now to make sure we kept up with the times we now have the post anaesthetic care unit or PACU. All three terms are still in current use, and yes, the people working in the area regardless of its name still do the same job. The best way to identify keywords is by reading lots of job ads for your area of interest or expertise and identify the most frequently occurring terms.
    Building your working resume
    To make your online job search more productive it pays to prepare what I call a working resume. A working resume is a text file that contains a series of stock phrases describing key experiences, summary statements, a detailed work history and educational qualifications. The purpose of making a working resume is to allow you to quickly apply for jobs both on and off line without having to painfully retype the same information.
    The working resume is an exercise in function over form, it is the repository for all of your accrued knowledge and experience even though only certain parts will be used in any one application. The document can be broken up under six major headings;
    1. Personal Data
    2. Keywords
    3. Summary Lines
    4. Professional Experience
    5. Employment History
    6. Education and Credentials
    Personal data is exactly that name, address and phone number.
    Keywords as discussed earlier are those terms employers consistently refer to in job ads. You want them available near the top of your working resume so you can clip them and do a search and replace in the body of your resume based on an potential employers preference, i.e. PAR vs. PACU. Don't put a keywords list on your actual resume or application.
    Summary lines are those bones you put at the top of a resume to whet their appetite. Usually phrased like; "Experienced nurse manager" or " Advanced practioner in Critical Care". Cook up as many as are necessary to reflect the best of all your experience. Remember you only copy and pate the ones most relevant to the job you are applying for.
    Professional experience is where you flesh out that bone you tossed them as a summary line. Quantify your specific experience; "Managed team of 20 full time nursing staff" or "Fiscal accountability for 3 million dollar budget".
    Employment history should be a complete chronological listing of your work history account for any breaks in employment by listing what you were doing in that period. On your working resume also list the employment reference for each job as some on line forms now request that information
    Education and credentials should itemize all education, degrees/diplomas held and continuing education activities.
    Each piece of data from each of these sections should be on a separate line this makes it easier and faster to copy and paste together a resume.
    Remember to always print a copy of your online application or resume, there is nothing worse than getting called for an interview and not remembering what you had said in your application.
    A note on privacy
    Be cautious about how you give out personal information. There is usually no benefit to completing an online resume with a job board, the information is mostly used to attract employers to buy paid advertisements on their site and chances are the employer will still ask you to submit a resume anyway. Use the job boards to shop for a job but apply directly to the individual employer. Most job boards do little more than promise not to sell your personal information to someone else. There is no disclosure about whether or not they tell employers how many jobs you've applied for in the past or how many positions you are currently a candidate for. Agencies and Job Boards are loyal to the people paying the bills, so when they let you post your resume for free ask yourself what's in it for them.
  11. by   Q.

    I agree with Stargazer. I haven't had too much luck applying on-line for various reasons. Sometimes systems "scan" your resume for certain words or descriptors, and if they aren't there, POOF! you're in the poop can.

    Everytime I've contacted a recruiter directly, I've felt I had a fair chance at being offered the position.

    Good luck.
  12. by   delirium
    Ok, update. Apparently yesterday I inadvertently submitted a partial application.... so much for my good impression.

    Anyway the nurse recruiter called me this morning and we had a short chat about my experience (or lack of), my expected graduation date, what I would like to do, and I've been invited to an open house where I can tour the unit, meet the people involved, and interview with HR.

    The director of the internship/fellowship program is supposed to be getting in touch with me.

  14. by   passing thru
    I've done a couple of internships. They are fun and educational. You are going to have so much fun. You've earned it. Maybe you should be delirious.