Jeb Bush's son arrested

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  2. 38 Comments

  3. by   JentheRN05
    How can anyone run a STATE when they can't raise their children better? Sorry I don't live in Fl but I just have issues with the whole Bush family. Please don't turn this into a debate, as I can see this coming. I just think that apparently there could've been better parenting choices made earlier on rather than focusing pursuit of a political career.
  4. by   grannynurse FNP student
    Now, now you must not pick on our excellent Governor because of his children. It is funny that they all seem to have inherited the family trait, getting into trouble over booze and/or drugs.

    Grannynurse
  5. by   fab4fan
    Is it just me, or does anyone find it interesting that Bill Clinton, often reviled here for being immoral/degenerate, etc., raises a kid who turns out to be a pretty level-headed, responsible adult, yet he president and his brother, held up as wonderful examples of fine Christian men raise kids with a proclivity for drugs, underage drinking, partying, etc.
    Last edit by fab4fan on Sep 17, '05
  6. by   talaxandra
    I don't necessarily agree that how you are as a parent necessarily reflects on what kind of leader you are. Besides, as anyone with children knows, there's only so much that's within your control as a parent. That said, there does seem to be a disturbing trend.
    PS Anyone notice that this was posted by a (whisper) Republican member? Hi Jo Anne
  7. by   gauge14iv
    As the mother of five - I can testify from experience - some kids follow their raisin, some follow their peers.

    2 of my kids (although they are doing well now) gave me hell in their teen years. One of them experienced just such an event as Jeb's son. A parent can take it personally - and in some ways should, BUT kids DO make their own decisions at some point - wise or not. For that they get to be held responsible.

    6th street in Austin is just a little ways south of the UT campus - there is a bus that runs pretty much all night on the weekends to tkae students back and forth from campus to 6th street. It's party central in Austin. I have often wondered how many students they arrest on any given weekend. All you have to be is drunk (like all the other people) and call attention to yourself in some way I'm sure.
  8. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from fab4fan
    Is it just me, or does anyone find it interesting that Bil Clinton, often reviled here for being immoral/degenerate, etc., raises a kid who turns out to be a pretty level-headed, responsible adult, yet he president and his brother, held up as wonderful examples of fine Christian men raise kids with a proclivity for drugs, underage drinking, partying, etc.
    Interesting in a very ironic kind of way that Bush and his ilk will never understand.
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Interesting in a very ironic kind of way that Bush and his ilk will never understand.
    Hmmm . . . . well, first when I was in college at Chico State, then the #1 party school in America, there were more than a few times I was under the influence of alcohol in public. I'm just lucky I didn't get caught.

    As to the naked in a car at 16 ..... well, that doesn't surprise me about teenagers either. And that's as far as I'll go with that.

    Kids from families who love their kids and discipline them make bad mistakes. My #2 son had many such errors. He was almost killed in two car accidents iinvolving alcohol. We did everything including taking away his driving privileges. He is just now starting to grow up but still makes dumb decisions.

    I think it is just awful to condemn people you don't like politically for their kid's behavior. I think the Bush family deserves to treat this privately.

    And who knows for sure that Chelsea never was drunk in public? Or drank alcohol as a teenager? Or had sex as a teen?

    This is just sad. And very judgmental.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Sep 17, '05
  10. by   jnette
    Quote from stevielynn
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    I think it is just awful to condemn people you don't like politically for their kid's behavior. I think the Bush family deserves to treat this privately.

    This is just sad. And very judgmental.

    steph
    Gotta agree with you on this one,too, Steph.

    I think all these kids are private/family issues and should be kept as such.

    Kids screw up. What else is new?

    They're not running for office, so what's it to us?
  11. by   DutchgirlRN
    Granted I've been blessed with children who have never been arrested, but I don't understand how children of the president or of the Govenor can get in so much trouble, at least publically? Have other presidents children gotten in trouble with the law? I'm 50 y/o, I don't remember any. Every time I think of the Bush girls I can't help but think of that poor woman who camped outside of his ranch in Texas after her son was killed in Iraq. Not that I think it was necessarily Bush's fault because we don't have a draft and the young man signed up of his own free will during war time but I think the Pres handled it so poorly to let that poor woman camp out there in the heat and rain. Shame on him. His little darlings are safe somewhere (causing trouble). How would he like it if he had to lie awake at night worrying about his little darlings being in Iraq? I voted for Bush but sometimes I wish I hadn't. Any thoughts about how Gore would have handled all of this? I basically voted for Bush because I didn't want John Kerry to be our president. That's even scarier to me.
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    Lots of "presidential kids" have gotten in trouble.

    Cindy's son volunteered. Bush can't make his daughters volunteer for the military. Cindy chose to stand out in the heat. And she had met with him previously and said good things about the meeting. President Bush would have walked into an ambush if he had met with Cindy - plus if you read her website posts - she is just nuts. She has a right to protest but I have a right to actually read what she says and I think she sounds crazy.

    OMG if Gore were President that would be really scary.

    steph
  13. by   fab4fan
    Quote from stevielynn
    Hmmm . . . . well, first when I was in college at Chico State, then the #1 party school in America, there were more than a few times I was under the influence of alcohol in public. I'm just lucky I didn't get caught.

    As to the naked in a car at 16 ..... well, that doesn't surprise me about teenagers either. And that's as far as I'll go with that.

    Kids from families who love their kids and discipline them make bad mistakes. My #2 son had many such errors. He was almost killed in two car accidents iinvolving alcohol. We did everything including taking away his driving privileges. He is just now starting to grow up but still makes dumb decisions.

    I think it is just awful to condemn people you don't like politically for their kid's behavior. I think the Bush family deserves to treat this privately.

    And who knows for sure that Chelsea never was drunk in public? Or drank alcohol as a teenager? Or had sex as a teen?

    This is just sad. And very judgmental.

    steph
    It is relevant when those people are held up as paragons of "family values," and used to bash others.

    But I agree in general that kids should be off-limits. I'm personally just tired of the constant refrain that the Bush family is pointing the country in the right direction because they are "Christian."

    There's no documentation that Chelsea did any of those things, while there is plenty of documentation about the behavior of the younger Bush family's indiscretions. Sorry if it's disappointing that Chelsea wasn't caught doing any of that; I'm sure it would have been great ammo. to further point out what a terrible degenerate her father was.
  14. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from fab4fan
    It is relevant when those people are held up as paragons of "family values," and used to bash others.

    But I agree in general that kids should be off-limits. I'm personally just tired of the constant refrain that the Bush family is pointing the country in the right direction because they are "Christian."

    There's no documentation that Chelsea did any of those things, while there is plenty of documentation about the behavior of the younger Bush family's indiscretions. Sorry if it's disappointing that Chelsea wasn't caught doing any of that; I'm sure it would have been great ammo. to further point out what a terrible degenerate her father was.
    I'm not disappointed that Chelsea wasn't caught doing any of those things. I admired the Clintons for saying upfront that their daughter was off limits. I agree with that.

    Just because you believe in "family values" doesn't mean your kids won't go off track. As I said, you can do the best you can and even advocate that others do the best they can and you kids still make mistakes.

    I've never heard Jeb or George Bush hold themselves up as paragons of virtue. They've been candid about mistakes made. Never said they were perfect.

    I just find it interesting that because people advocate for doing the right thing, when they or their family members fail, somehow then it is hypocritical.

    I have always taught my kids that using illegal drugs is wrong. Because my son used, does that make me now a hypocrite? I do not think so.

    I have always taught my kids that abstinence is the right way to go. If my kids choose otherwise, does that make me a hypocrite? No.

    I advocate for these life choices. Because I or my kids are not perfect does not mean I'm a hypocrite.

    I think you should aim for doing the right thing . . . . but I'm not going to jump all over a family because their kid screws up and I would hope no one would jump all over me because my son erred.

    I still think it is sad to jump on people when they are going through painful issues.

    steph

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