There are a few things that those who have recently
come to our country, and apparently some Native Americans, need to understand;
First of all, it is not our responsibility to continually try not to offend you in any way. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language, and our own lifestyle. This culture, called the "American Way" has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
Our forefathers fought, bled, and died at places such as Bunker Hill, Antietam, San Juan, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Korea, Vietnam... We speak English, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society - learn our language!"
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some off-the-wall, Christian, Right Wing, political slogan - it is our national motto. It is engraved in stone in the House of Representatives in our Capitol and it is printed on our currency. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation and this is clearly documented throughout our history. If it is appropriate for our motto to be inscribed in the halls of our highest level of Government, then it is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. God is in our pledge, our National Anthem, nearly every patriotic song, and in our founding documents. We honor His birth, death, and resurrection as holidays, and we turn to Him in prayer in times of crisis. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture and we are proud to have Him. We are proud of our heritage and those who have so honorably defended our freedom.
We celebrate Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and Flag Day.
We have parades, picnics, and barbecues where we proudly wave our flag.
As an American, I have the right to wave my flag, sing my national anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. The American culture is our way of life, our heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. Like it or not, this is our country, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion about our government, culture, or society, and we will allow you every opportunity to do so but, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom:
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!
To those who do complain about the usage of words like 'God' and' American' and speaking the language of our great nation, TRY GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND SPEAK AGAINST WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY END UP JAILED OR EVEN KILLED. In America, you take your right to complain for granted. The more patriotism that is removed from where our children are taught, the less our children will learn about what it is to be an American and our nation's spirit will slowly be killed. Keep patriotism alive.
It is time to take a stand!!
God Bless America!!!
Aug 22, '02
Wasn't this posted before? It sounds really familiar....
Aug 22, '02
Yes, in the Off Topic forum, under the America the Beautiful thread.
Aug 22, '02
ummm...excuse me? I thought the whole point of our country was that everyone doesn't have to be like everyone else. That's why most people came here and are still coming here.
The way it should work is that "I respect you, you respect me." The problem is that people who are not the majority are often DIS-respected or brushed off when the view aired is not the majority view...and then the only way to address the grievance is in court. If you NEVER got your way and NO ONE in power listened to you, and you ALWAYS had to do things the way everyone else wanted, then you might "whine and gripe" too.
Please take a look at the history of civil rights in our country. Change takes time, a lot of time, and unless someone is always pushing for it, it won't get done and "rights" will mysteriously disappear. Anything that had to be addressed by amendments to the Constitution were not considered by the framers to be "inalienable"...what was given can be taken away or rescinded (just ask any Native American; and look at all those treaties that were broken...)
Aug 23, '02
" Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Oscar Wilde.
Aug 23, '02
I have always loved Oscar Wilde.... Sad that it's often hard to tell the true patriots from the scoundrels, especially lately....
Aug 24, '02
Actually the whole point of this country to begin with was religious freedom. The freedom to worship without your government telling you how to do it. The Pilgrams, the French Hugoneuts, the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, the English Quakers all came here looking for religious freedoms. Not the current politically correct everyone doesn't have to be like everyone else.
Even the Irish Catholics came later primarily based on the concept of religious freedom. If they had been willing to give up their Catholic religion and become Anglicans then they likely would not have been left to starve to death by the English Government.
The idea of everyone being created equal is still an evolving concept.
As someone who truly enjoys various cultures and the historical context of them, I believe that primarily the experimental mix of cultures that is America is wonderful. I believe in general it is one of the great strengths of this country to be able to call of the various abilities of different peoples. That said I also despise politically correct. If you choose to come here, please speak English. I am not going to go to France and expect they give me a special English speaking learning enviroment. I don't care what religion you are, but don't make me feel that I should not be able to practice my Christian religion in the way I choose because it may offend you. Too bad. The truth is that this country was founded by people who were primarily men of strong Christian faith and values. A reading of the constitution should indicate that to anyone who does read it. Don't come here and then complain bitterly about the "American Lifestyle" I would guess by now they should know what the American Lifestyle was before anyone decided to immigrate here. If you choose not to participate in it, then that is your right. However it is my right to live that lifestyle without having to feel I am offending someone by doing so.
Go to various regions of the country and you will find that ethnic cultural norms from various groups have become overall cultural norms. How wonderful to be able to take various things from all different cultures to be able to strengthen and enliven life for all of us. We have country music that takes its life from the Scotch Irish that were the predominate culture of the south. Lighting the Christmas tree is a German tradition that became an American tradition. Putting candles in paper bags at Christmas is a Hispanic tradition that seems to become more popular every year. Tap dancing is a uniquely American dance that takes it's roots from Irish and African dancing, developed when these two groups of, at the time, dispised cultures were forced to live together.
This country is not homogenous, and never will be. And as much as I enjoy tracing the different things that make up America and where those cultural norms come from, that does not mean I believe would should run around making sure that there is nothing done that may offend some group somewhere. I hate the terms African American, Irish American, Pakistani American, etc... No, once you opted to come here and live then you are an American period. I've got my genealogy on my dad's side of the family all the way back to 1600's in England. Should I call myself an English American? Or maybe since the family quickly married into the Scotch Irish I could be English Scots Irish American. But then I have to consider my mother's side that has English and German, so I had better make sure I add the German in and become an English Scots Irish German American.Oops forgot that bit of Cherokee. Maybe I could just be Native American. But then a redheaded white girl is never going to pass for that. Now that I have that straightened out the religious end of that becomes something of a nightmare. Through the various generations and the people they married I have found Anglicans, Lutherans, Quakers, Hugenots, Free Will Baptist, United Brethern, Mennonites,Presbyterians, Baptist Mennonites(whatever the heck that is)Amish, Catholic and Christian Science. I had to mix it up just a bit more and become an Episcopalin. So I guess it would just be best if I call myself an American who is a Christian. Saves alot of confusion. Of course I can lose alot by doing this, because I can't claim any type of discrimation against me. Maybe I can do it because I am a woman. Ah, yes. The politicans do try to cater to that vote now, so I need to be sure to emphasize my feminism.
I know civil rights are important, I know racism has a sorrid history. And yes, people fought and died to be able to actively participate in the civil life of this country. That means that we should honor the memory of those people brave enough to face attack dogs and water cannon to get the rights they deserved. And I don't think we do any honor to those who had the guts to stand there and continue to protest nonviolently by continuing to separate people by group based on their ethnic background, their color or their religious preferences. We do a grave disservice to the memory of these brave souls by continuing to describe American's as (put whatever racial group you want here)-American's. One should not be able to purposely describe themselves as related to a specific racial group, ethnic group or religious group, to purposely separate themselves and then ***** because they are being treated as separate and not part of the overall culture. I didn't separate you out from anyone else, you did it to yourself.
That all said American's did not fight and die in various battles, here and abroad to save some concept of American Lifestyle. They did it to save the freedom we have to develop that lifestyle. The freedom to not have the government tell you how to worship, how to dress, what job you will take. They defended the concept of Freedom. With all the twists and turns it can sometimes take, and the freedom to even whine about it.
And for don murrey-A man who does not think for himself does not think at all. -- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Aug 24, '02
in response to taking "under god" out of pledge:
"i pledge allegiance...one nation under canada and over mexico"
RE: God Bless America - "someone bless america..."
RE: in god we trust on currency: "in bill gates we trust"
- Robin Williams
Live on Braodway on HBO
i am not a christian - or any other religous affiliation - but hearing or saying the word god doesn't make me melt or freak out or anything. i don't think i should be forced to say the pledge OR forced not to. when i was in school there was a girl in my classes that didn't participate - that was OK - nobody cared (although we thought it was wierd that she didn't participate in birthday parties - NO CAKE!!! - but we got used to that too) it was actually a nice representation of the freedom the USA does allow all of its citizens - even elementary school kids...
one more thing - in my opinioin, the word god does not have to mean a christian god - god to me is just a universal concept and the english symbol used to refer to that concept - a concept of a supreme being - aristotle called it the "unmoved mover"