Is it acceptable for Colin Powell to think?

  1. Does anyone agree with the President on this?
    Is it acceptable for Colin Powell to think?
    Is it acceptable for you to think?
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    ...Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. If a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Secretary of State feels this way, don't you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you're following a flawed strategy?

    THE PRESIDENT: If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic. I simply can't accept that. It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective, Terry.
    My job, and the job of people here in Washington, D.C., is to protect this country. We didn't ask for this war....

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html
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  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    Powell: Staying course in Iraq isn't enough

    ..."Only the Iraqi people can resolve this," Powell said.
    U.S. troops have to stay in Iraq for "some time," he said. "But there is a limit to the patience of the American people."
    Powell was the featured speaker at this year's distinguished Carlson Lecture at the University of Minnesota.

    In Iraq, "staying the course isn't good enough because a course has to have an end," Powell said. ...

    http://www.startribune.com/587/story/718368.html
  4. by   CHATSDALE
    this war is so frustrating
    everytime they show the injured and the body count i just want to cry
    is there any solution...if we pull out there will be countless killings just like there was under saddam
    if we stay there we can't win..only fall deeper into the quicksand
    while our soldiers are in iraq iran and n.korea are going to stir up a atomic plant that can go into meltdown or they will develop missiles capable of putting the whole world in danger due to fallout
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    Unfortunately there are countless killings now. Our soldiers are not able to stop the killing.

    Report: Baghdad Hospitals Are Killing ZonesIntelligence Seen By CBS News Says Hospitals Are Command Centers For Shiite Militia

    …"No one can stop them. They are terrified. No one will be safe. There will be destruction. Complete destruction is what we are watching with our own eyes and it's getting worse," a hospital worker said…

    …The U.S. military has documented how Sadr's Mahdi Army has turned morgues and hospitals into places where death squads operate freely.

    The chilling details are spelled out in an intelligence report seen by CBS News. Among some of the details of the report are:

    • Hospitals have become command and control centers for the Mahdi Army militia.

    • Sunni patients are being murdered; some are dragged from their beds.

    • The militia is keeping hostages inside some hospitals, where they are tortured and executed.

    They're using ambulances to transport hostages and illegal weapons, and even to help their fighters escape from U.S. forces.

    Iraq's Health Minister, Ali al-Shameri, is a devoted follower of Moqtada al-Sadr. He disputes the report's claims….
    http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/top...277195952.html

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    An entire police brigade in Baghdad has been suspended and its commander arrested on charges of aiding sectarian death squads as the US military announced yesterday that bomb attacks in the capital had hit an all-time high.
    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006003,00.html

    Torture and civilian deaths reach record levels in Iraq
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=3309
  6. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from spacenurse
    It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective, Terry.
    My job, and the job of people here in Washington, D.C., is to protect this country. We didn't ask for this war....

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html
    I'm a little surprised that you could put the entire quote in there and then take that short phrase out of context.

    He does not say it is unacceptable to think. He says it is unacceptable to think that there is any similarity between terrorist activity and military action currently taking place.

    If you disagree with the war, you only weaken your position by misusing and misquoting.
  7. by   pickledpepperRN
    THIS was my quote. I purposfully quoted the entire question and answer to be fair and NOT quote out of context.
    ...Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. If a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Secretary of State feels this way, don't you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you're following a flawed strategy?

    THE PRESIDENT: If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic. I simply can't accept that. It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective, Terry.
    My job, and the job of people here in Washington, D.C., is to protect this country. We didn't ask for this war....

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html
    I don't think former secretary of State Powell was comparing the compassion of the American people with the terrorist tactics of extremists.
    May I think the President jumped to conclusions?

    Unfortunately I do think it is possible to compare the bombing, killing, and torture of war to violent actions of people who kill innocent civilians. That happens in war too. That is why I think war must be avoided if at all possible. AFTER all peaceful options are exhausted.
    I think we did not chose the war on terror but what does starting a war in Iraq have to do with that? I don't think we are safer at all. I don't think this war is good for anyone.

    Do I have a right to think this?
  8. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Sorry you missed my point. I understand you are upset, many of us are, but you have quoted out of context.

    Again, no one said anything about it being "unacceptable to think," at least not in your quote.

    I outta here, thanks.
  9. by   elkpark
    Quote from spacenurse
    Unfortunately I do think it is possible to compare the bombing, killing, and torture of war to violent actions of people who kill innocent civilians.
    I agree -- I think Shrub has his bloody nerve criticizing "Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective" when he (the war he chose to start) has killed somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 Iraqi civilians (depending on which source you check), many of them "innocent women and children," in order to achieve his objective. When it comes to killing, he makes the "Islamic extremists" look like amateurs and dilettantes!

    We may not have "asked" for the so-called "war on terrorism," but the IRAQ war was entirely elective/voluntary.

    I also agree with you, spacenurse, that, although folks may want to quibble about which actual words in the quote you highlighted, what Shrub is basically saying (and has said repeatedly) is that he considers it unacceptable for anyone to disagree with him.

    November '08 can't come soon enough ...
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    "THE PRESIDENT: If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic. I simply can't accept that. It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective, Terry."


    All the Prez said was that it is unacceptable to think that there is any comparison between behavior of the US and terrorists . . . and I agree with that. Even people who disagree with the war have to be able to see that this is correct. Correct? :wink2:

    He isn't saying Colin Powell isn't allowed to think.

    I thought this was a great speech.

    steph
  11. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from elkpark
    I agree -- I think Shrub has his bloody nerve criticizing "Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective" when he (the war he chose to start) has killed somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 Iraqi civilians (depending on which source you check), many of them "innocent women and children," in order to achieve his objective. When it comes to killing, he makes the "Islamic extremists" look like amateurs and dilettantes!

    We may not have "asked" for the so-called "war on terrorism," but the IRAQ war was entirely elective/voluntary.

    I also agree with you, spacenurse, that, although folks may want to quibble about which actual words in the quote you highlighted, what Shrub is basically saying (and has said repeatedly) is that he considers it unacceptable for anyone to disagree with him.

    November '08 can't come soon enough ...
    Wow - so you ARE equating the terrorists with our troops in Iraq? Bush doesn't have a magic wand whereby he fights the war, it is fought by men and women from our military. And they are as bad as the terrorists who behead people?

    I just don't see that. Not in the least. There may be a few of our military personnel who behaved badly but the vast majority of our military are honorable folks.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just truly can't see the comparison.

    It is especially troubling to me because I have many friends who have kids over there fighting. One friend has breast cancer and her son is here now to be with her and he is one of the most wonderful young men I've ever met.

    I'm sorry elkpark - really. I just do not agree with you here. Leaving aside the argument over whether we should be in Iraq or not - I just do not agree that our troops are as evil as the terrorists.

    steph
  12. by   elkpark
    Quote from stevielynn
    Wow - so you ARE equating the terrorists with our troops in Iraq? Bush doesn't have a magic wand whereby he fights the war, it is fought by men and women from our military. And they are as bad as the terrorists who behead people?

    I just don't see that. Not in the least. There may be a few of our military personnel who behaved badly but the vast majority of our military are honorable folks.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just truly can't see the comparison.

    It is especially troubling to me because I have many friends who have kids over there fighting. One friend has breast cancer and her son is here now to be with her and he is one of the most wonderful young men I've ever met.

    I'm sorry elkpark - really. I just do not agree with you here. Leaving aside the argument over whether we should be in Iraq or not - I just do not agree that our troops are as evil as the terrorists.

    steph
    Don't worry, steph; I wasn't saying our troops are as evil as the "terrorists" -- I was saying SHRUB is as evil as the terrorists ...
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from elkpark
    Don't worry, steph; I wasn't saying our troops are as evil as the "terrorists" -- I was saying SHRUB is as evil as the terrorists ...

    Well, no . . .you may have meant "SHRUB" but you said . .

    "when he (the war he chose to start) has killed somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 Iraqi civilians (depending on which source you check), many of them "innocent women and children," in order to achieve his objective. When it comes to killing, he makes the "Islamic extremists" look like amateurs and dilettantes!"

    "he" is the military . . . .as I said, GWB doesn't have a magic wand that he waved over Iraq and killed 30,000 - 100,000 Iraqi civilians . . . our troops did it.

    steph
  14. by   pickledpepperRN
    All the Prez said was that it is unacceptable to think that there is any comparison between behavior of the US and terrorists . . . and I agree with that. Even people who disagree with the war have to be able to see that this is correct. Correct? :wink2:

    He isn't saying Colin Powell isn't allowed to think.

    I thought this was a great speech.

    steph
    [/QUOTE]If he didn't mean "It's unacceptable to think" why in the world did those words come out of his mouth?

    Is he saying Colin Powel may think unless he thinks something the President interprets to mean something unacceptable?

    I think that before starting a war a person SHOULD THINK!
    Think about the fact that innocent people are killed in war.
    Think about a way to avoid starting a war.
    Think about all the horrors of a war.
    Last edit by pickledpepperRN on Oct 6, '06

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