Is Anyone Else Tired of This?

  1. I used to love coming to this topic, and I enjoyed the debates we had. I closely read posts, even from those who most vehemently disagreed with me. Why? Because it was a great way to learn. Anymore, the interesting debate threads are gone. I don't post here much anymore, and only occasionally come to the topic area, just to see whether the entire heading continues to be hijacked.

    It seems that one certain poster is determined to push the good threads out. This particular poster goes out, and finds editorial after editorial, which they then post here. Each editorial (not even the poster's own work) is more vehement than the last in its anti-war, anti-American messages. I could deal with that. But every attempt to engage this particular poster in debate is met with "I'm sorry." "I could be wrong." "I'm praying about it." Frankly, I have just gotten sick of it, and pretty much stopped posting. Which is probably what the editorial bandit wanted anyway, to silence all voices that disagreed with her.

    I just wanted to explain why I don't post here much anymore. This is the real reason. I'm tired of looking for the threads that are pearls among the manure (and there were a lot of threads that I disagreed with that I still considered pearls).

    The board has, however, finally inspired me to do something I've always wanted to do. I've started to write a book, which I have tentativelty titled "Commonsense Conservatism." Thanks to those who have encouraged me. It will undoubtably never get published, but I will have accomplished one of my life goals. I will have written a book.

    Kevin McHugh
  2. 31 Comments

  3. by   Grace Oz
    Good luck with the book Kevin, and congratulations on having the courage to have a go. I'm also someone with a long held desire to write & so admire those who DO.
  4. by   passing thru
    I appreciate the other poster's taking the time to post
    editorials from newspapers all across the country.

    It is interesting to read articles written by editor's
    all over the country. They have many points of view.
    Points of view that most of us would not have the time
    to read or search for.
    Their opinions are presented in intelligent and well
    thought out ways.
    "Two heads are better than one." Or, as these editorials
    are presented to us......... a 1/2 dozen heads are better than one.

    It just makes us more informed citizens, I think.
    And, of course, it is always our choice, to read or
    not to read.
    I am happy that other poster's want to share and
    contribute the news they read.

    I'm not interested in debating the poster.
    And, there's tons of sites on the net for
    debating the "news of the day."
    If I wanted to debate these editors, I seriously
    doubt if they would respond to a challenge.

    That's what an editorial is.......simply an editor's or journalists point of view.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I join you Kevin, in being sick of this as well. Even though you and I stand on differing sides of the issues, I respect your insight and intelligent communication and most of all, ORIGINALITY in thought. I will miss you around, but certainly understand your reasoning. Best wishes and let us know how and again how you and your family are doing.
  6. by   sbic56
    I have to agree with you on this one, Kevin. I, too, can do Google news searches and can find all the differing viewpoints I want all by myself and would prefer to see the personal opinions of the allnurses here and not merely links to various articles. If one wants to copy and paste an article and then give their response to it, well, that is a totally differnet scenario.

    Good luck on your book, Kevin! It is sure to go against most everyting I believe, but the differing opinions is what makes one think. You are a brilliant debater and I do miss yours and others insightful posts, whatever stance they take.
  7. by   renerian
    Good luck with your book Kevin...

  8. by   natsfanrn
    I stopped coming here regularly, and posting, for the same reason. I liked to engage in back-and-forth, mutual discussions, not just be referred to link after link after link of editorials (not even news stories at that). Any response to said links often led to a confusing, nonsensical reply.

    Good luck on your book!
  9. by   SharonH, RN
    I say this in all sincerity: I hope your book gets published and I can't wait to read it.

  10. by   Furball
    Agree with your post Kevin...I don't have time to read all those editorials so I don't bother. (in fact, I stopped posting articles myself because I saw just how annoying they are! ha) Boring as hell, suffocating.

    Good luck with your might suprise yourself and succeed at being published. One of my cousins wrote a book on a got published and today he has 6 books under his belt....all published.

    I'd love to read it when you're done.
  11. by   WashYaHands
    I too stopped posting to and regularly visiting W&T. It seems the art of debate with original thought and personal opinion was lost. It became a liberal vs conservative media article war, rather than spirited dialogue between posters. I got caught up in the article search as well, until I realized that it was taking up too much time and served no purpose in the the true spirit of debate.

    I also came to think that when I did point out inconsistencies in media articles, the responses were not to debate my personal views, but rather accusations of questioning the patriotism of others, scolding those with opposing views, or accusations of limiting the free speech of others. That was not my intention, so I politely bowed out.

    Best of luck with your book, Kevin.

  12. by   passing thru
    I hear ya wash ya hands.
    But, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the ones complaining
    the same ones who were DEMANDING articles etc.,
    every time a poster made a point/statement they disagreed with?

    I gave up too, because of the time consuming searches.
    It wasn't enough to post a sentence one read in the paper,
    the article had to be located online and pasted.

    I share your thoughts on the topic wholly, WYH.

    A conversation became impossible, particularly when
    it met with an opposing opinion.
    Out came the demands for pastings...not very polite demands at that.

    Well, now we have them,...editorials and facts, and as I said, I enjoy them.
    Saves me research time.
  13. by   WashYaHands
    [QUOTE]correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the ones complaining the same ones who were DEMANDING articles etc.,
    every time a poster made a point/statement they disagreed with?

    First, I don't think anyone is complaining or demanding anything. And, there's a difference between asking for a reference to stated facts and posting an entire article followed by another poster posting an opposing article, which results in basically a he said/she said type thread (the opinions of journalists, not posters). A link to an article that a poster is referring to with that posters original opinion is what drew me to the W&T thread to begin with. It just kinda went down hill for me and what I am interested in reading (thoughts and views of posters, not media journalists).

  14. by   kmchugh
    Originally posted by passing thru
    I hear ya wash ya hands.
    But, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the ones complaining
    the same ones who were DEMANDING articles etc.,
    every time a poster made a point/statement they disagreed with?
    Well, I'm not sure who you are referring to, but I for one have never asked for editorial articles as proof of what someone is saying. I have on one occasion I remember asked for sources on a particular topic when the point made seemed wrong. I would never ask for editorial support, as generally I don't give much credence to editorials as factual material.

    I HAVE asked people to demonstrate their reasoning in arguments to points I have made. But, that's not posting an article. That's good, back and forth debate others have referred to.

    Kevin McHugh