Interesting article about God


    The judgmental Heavenly Monarch-on-the-Throne imagery isn't there to be taken literally. It's there to capture the awe and mystery of our experience of life itself. When I contemplate a 45-meter-wide boulder hurtling to earth at 17,500 miles-per-hour, I am terrified and humbled. When I hear it will come right in line with the orbits of some GPS satellites -- and then miss us -- yes, I'm relieved. But I'm also further humbled and awe-struck that life as we know it is so precious and tenuous. And it's right in that moment, in that uncanny experience of fear and wonder, that I truly find God. My God arises not in arrogant assertions of Absolute Truth, but in those life-experiences that inspire the greatest of doubt and a multiplicity of more questions.
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  3. by   Medic2RN
    Thank you, it was an interesting article.
  4. by   Liddle Noodnik
    He writes: "So when Earth's gravitational field sends 2012 DA14 hurtling away from us faster than a speeding bullet, it will be a moment for all life on Earth to collectively "bensch gomel," no matter what our religion, even if we don't believe in God at all."

    I think we are all too casual sometimes when we say "thank God" this or "thank God" that. In my opinion this near miss is a true miracle of mercy on His part!
  5. by   somenurse
    I have not yet the article, but i will, so far, i have only the words on this page.

    I find wonder and awe in the cosmos, but, i do not think when 1 person escapes an earthquake, and 813 others were killed, that THAT is divine intervention, but, almost invariably, the person who DID walk out of the building, says, "thank god!" or "god saved ME" which always strikes me as kind of conceited....what? the gods didn't care about the other 813 who just got killed? Or, the other 813 are "lucky" cuz now they are all in the party in the sky with the gods?
    If the other 813 are the lucky ones, why does everyone point at the one guy who walked out as "the one god saved"? Makes no sense to me.

    If the gods really do intervene, why do they not stop earthquakes or floods or cancer or other human-killing events on the planet? What, the gods only care about comets?

    makes no sense to me.
  6. by   somenurse
    Now i have read the article, liked most of it!
    I agree with much of it, but, what the rabbi calls "god" i would call humanity, or other things, depending on the rest of sentence.

    //"It's a technology that fashions a moment in time, a moment of an individual acknowledging their humility and wonder together with their people. It's a moment of no illusions, no answers, no certainties -- only the Truth that we are together in this uncertain, imperfect, miraculous moment of being alive. The moment becomes sacred not so much in the words recited, but in our mutually felt connection to each other. I am comfortable calling such a moment, "an experience of God." //

    It is hard to define 'god'. If someone wants to say, that 'god' means the humanity we share with each other, or a moment of joyous celebration, i'll agree, those things DO does exist.

    I usually don't have trouble understanding a deist's definition of 'god'.

    It is theists i have trouble understanding. If someone says "god" is an interactive being, who created Adam and Eve, and sent one of the 3 biblegods who is his own father
    [FONT=times] who can make you live forever, if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood,
    [FONT=times]while telepathically telling him that you accept him as your master,
    [FONT=times] so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

    that is where i have trouble understanding the theists definitions or expectations of "gods".

    but, if someone wants to call moments of joy a "god", that is a whole other thing. Moments of awe and joy do exist, amazing things do happen, but, deciding the 'good' things are the work of gods, is choice one makes, and there is zero empirical, objective evidence for gods doing any of this.
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 14, '13
  7. by   VivaLasViejas
    Well, I believe in a God of love and truth, and I see His presence in every beautiful thing of the earth and sea and skies. Tonight I saw a magnificent sunset over the river that runs through my town; the sky was throbbing with gold and pink and purple and the water flowed swiftly by, reflecting that sky with all its colors. I wish my cell phone camera had been adequate in catching the breathtaking sight, but of course it can't do justice to a scene like that. Sometimes I believe God puts on these spectacular shows for our enjoyment because He loves us and wants to make us's nice to think that, anyway.
  8. by   PMFB-RN
    I find the notion of a God, or gods abserd.
  9. by   TopazLover
    I enjoy reading a bit of rabbinical discussion. Many centuries of thought have been passed down and the scholars continue to contemplate these issues. I certainly am not an expert on the reality of God or gods.

    When a religious person can make their beliefs understandable to me I appreciate it. It does not have to be "my religion".
  10. by   somenurse
    I feel this rabbi's idea of what god is, does not much match the gods of the old testament that he follows. I feel most religious people do cherry pick amongst their holy books, to 'create' the gods they want to have, instead of worshiping the gods that are actually being described in their holy books. The gods of jewish holy book are often describe by bible authors as doing ghastly things:
    A Book of Blood

    ^admittedly, some of these bible quotes are from NT, so the rabbi religion isn't part of those stories.

    I have nothing against anyone creating their gods, everyone does it, either by cherry-picking their holy books (dismissing vast swaths of the holy book as "not true" cuz they'd don't "like" that part, so that part is "not true")
    by designing their gods from scratch, all by themselves, which, actually makes more sense to me. I understand that better, than i can understand theist's ideas.
    but, even though i can understand homemade gods better than i can understand gods bought from organized theologies,
    there is still no objective empirical evidence that gods do just the good stuff.(or, any stuff, for that matter)

    I remain skeptical when anyone claims to know what the gods want or feel, etc, or makes claims gods are doing this or that, and why the gods did it, etc.

    I rather agree with the rabbi, that there is randomness in the universe. I feel holy books and/or homemade gods or theistic gods, are not necessary to be a good person, at all, nor are these things necessary to know right from wrong,
    nor are these things necessary to feel the exact same joy, wonder and awe at the universe, or to feel that exact same connection to our fellow humans and to feel celebration when something great happens.

    gods are optional. Religions can do harm.
    Last edit by somenurse on Feb 15, '13
  11. by   somenurse
    btw, for any fellow cosmo fans, the universe is STILL expanding, and our star (the sun) will someday hugely expand and become a supernova reaching the earth itself, and then implode and become a white dwarf,
    but, before that happens, our planet might be destroyed by either climate change, or because our moon is moving away from earth at about inch per year. Once the moon is far enough away, our entire gravitational system will go haywire, and our planet could end up constantly in flux, randomly twirling about, with the north poles at the equator now and then, mass floods, etc.

    but, if the people like the rabbi is right, that'd either be "the will of the gods" or, the gods will step in at last minute and save the planet.

    at any rate, i will continue to enjoy the wonders all around us!!
  12. by   TopazLover
    Can't say as I read the Rabbi that way. My understanding was that some things are random and we thank God but in reality God was not looking out for anyone of us in that way. He speaks of God as the universe. Somehow I like that concept.

    As I said, I enjoy reading many religious things not of my own religion. I am not afraid to look at other ways of looking or worshiping or not worshiping. I love reading quotes of the Dali Lama.
  13. by   somenurse
    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Can't say as I read the Rabbi that way. My understanding was that some things are random and we thank God but in reality God was not looking out for anyone of us in that way. He speaks of God as the universe. Somehow I like that concept.

    As I said, I enjoy reading many religious things not of my own religion. I am not afraid to look at other ways of looking or worshiping or not worshiping. I love reading quotes of the Dali Lama.

    i also like that concept "god IS the universe" much better than the concept of god that the rabbi's religion promotes. It sounds like two different gods to me.

    If the author of the article was a deist, it would not matter that he is describing a god that is not much like the one in his holy book. I think this rabbi should consider branching out and creating a whole new religion of his own, using the gods he is describing in this article, cuz, his gods don't act much like the gods in the bible acted.

    There are always good things everywhere. I can usually see the bright side, of even the most ghastly organizations, if we look hard enough, we can spot a good point here or there.
    but, if overall, i feel an organization is not an overall force for good, i don't see any reason to struggle to point out the glimmers of good things in that organization. I do not think organized religions are good. at all.
    it doesn't matter which named gods the various religions worship, it is all organized religions can be so damaging, so devisive, so dangerous. Has nothing to do with just one organized religion, it's all of them.

    I never saw the need to worship, or the need for gods. But i like that you are very open minded about various gods, but, i see no use for gods. For me, it'd be pretending, just can't get myself to make sense of the gods, to even imagine or pretend or participate in promoting the notion of gods are doing stuff,
    and can't find one good reason to even try to make sense of the gods...I can find joy in many wonders, and celebrate those, without ever having to pretend a thing, or having to relabel my "joy" as a "deity". It's just joy to me, nothing particularly supernatural about it.

    but, i'll readily agree, 5000% that it makes far more sense
    to be a deist
    than a theist. (i myself wonder, if the rabbi hasn't evolved into being a deist, trapped in a rabbi's role)
  14. by   somenurse
    but still, a great article, might help any theists (or anyone) who read it, reconsider what god is to them.