How Much Leftist Ideology Has Corrupted Nursing? - page 10

I'm heading into my BScN in September, and wondering how much leftist nonsense will be in my program? Should I expect to see a lot of it, or very little? Considering it's a BSc I'm hoping very... Read More

  1. by   Ted
    tetra - Are you sure the Nursing Profession is right for you? Seriously. You will be encountering people holding different points of views than what you hold, and not "just" the political point of views. You will be working with individuals with different cultures, different religions, etc. These are questions you really need to be asking yourself. Are you up for this?? Can you be respectful to those who are "different"? By the way, the concern is not just for you. It's also for the people you will encounter in this profession.

    These concerns might have been addressed on this thread already. After reading your most recent post, there seems to be a need to address these concerns again.
  2. by   Tetra
    Quote from Ted
    tetra - Are you sure the Nursing Profession is right for you? Seriously. You will be encountering people holding different points of views than what you hold, and not "just" the political point of views. You will be working with individuals with different cultures, different religions, etc. These are questions you really need to be asking yourself. Are you up for this?? Can you be respectful to those who are "different"? By the way, the concern is not just for you. It's also for the people you will encounter in this profession.

    These concerns might have been addressed on this thread already. After reading your most recent post, there seems to be a need to address these concerns again.
    I'm confused by your post. When did I say I'm not respectful of others, or the cultures of others, religions, or those who are different? What are you talking about? Please provide any post I wrote...

    Also, the nurses on this forum are so far from inclusive you must be in a dreamworld. If you want, I can actually provide the posts?
  3. by   Tetra
    Quote from Ted
    tetra - Are you sure the Nursing Profession is right for you? Seriously. You will be encountering people holding different points of views than what you hold, and not "just" the political point of views. You will be working with individuals with different cultures, different religions, etc. These are questions you really need to be asking yourself. Are you up for this?? Can you be respectful to those who are "different"? By the way, the concern is not just for you. It's also for the people you will encounter in this profession.

    These concerns might have been addressed on this thread already. After reading your most recent post, there seems to be a need to address these concerns again.
    You know, it seems like whenever I ask for any kind of evidence on this forum, all I get is crickets.

    Once again I'm going to ask, can you link me to a post where I have claimed to not be interested in respecting others, the cultures of others, religions, or those who are different? A single post... go ahead, find it for me.

    The least people can do is admit they don't have an evidentiary basis for their opinions, and they're simply judging me based on their own biases... and the irony... oh the irony...
  4. by   toomuchbaloney
    It seems to me that you have judged that nursing is corrupted by leftist ideology while having no actual personal knowledge of what a general nursing education involves. Everyone has bias. Your nursing education may help you to identify your own.
  5. by   Ted
    Re-read what you write. The title of this thread that you chose to have displayed, re-read that. Re-read some of the posts you wrote, often in response to others. Attempt to read posts by "Tetra" as through the eyes of a stranger, someone who does not know "Tetra" at all. Some posts, not all, but some should raise your eye brow.

    There seems to be a rigid "black or white" thinking that is taking place, found just by reading the title of this thread. It's as if life is only "liberal" or "conservative", and if it is "liberal" it is corruptive. Really?!? Really?!? Life is way more complicated than that. People are way more complicated than that. This is just ONE example.

    Look. . . . No one here knows you at all. For the most part, we're all strangers to each other. You're probably a fine, decent, law-abiding individual who has made a few notable marks in life. It's the words that you chose to use when posting on this thread that YOU started which leaves concern. Not all of the time. But enough times. On one hand, who cares?? This is only bulletin board. Who cares what is written and how one is perceived? Well, Tetra, there is another hand worthy of consideration. There are circumstances when words do matter. In particular, that circumstance is at the bedside. You seem to be a "black or white" thinking kind of person, especially in terms of values and principles. THAT type of thinking should not take place at the bedside. Rather, empathy should. The ability to put one's self in another's situation should be at the bedside. To be clear, the caring healthcare professional does not "become" the patient. Simply, that healthcare professional should be able to identify and appropriately respond to the needs of an individual, even if that individual holds a different outlook in life in some manner. And so, the question remains, are you able to do this? Is being a nurse right for you? Do not answer these questions for me or for anyone reading this silly thread. Do it for yourself!! Do it for the people you WILL encounter! It is an exercise in self-reflection and self-awareness. It is an exercise in soul-deep honesty. That's all.

    No one is perfect. I'm not perfect. I have my days when the last person I want to see is that CIWA patient who is being admitted to my ICU for the 5th or 6th time, and all I want to do is SCREAM at them!! THAT's my "stuff" that I needs to be managed so that I do not actually YELL at that individual. We all have that "stuff" that needs to be managed somehow. The only way to help manage that "stuff" is through painful, soul-deep honesty.

    Admittedly, I am tired of seeing people in the healthcare profession who REALLY SHOULD NOT BE THERE! A lot of this is my "stuff"!! But I have experienced Doctors, Nurses, Respiratory Therapists, EMTs, etc., who should really either finally retire after too many years of service, or find another job. These individuals "YELLED" at patients. Repeatedly. Not good. In the meanwhile, there is something I can do to help prevent the wrong person into going into this profession and that is to simply ask: "Is Being a Nurse Right for You?" It might come across as harsh. But it really is a question meant to promote self-reflection. You can yell at me all you want now. I probably deserve it. But at some point in time you WILL be quietly asking these questions to yourself.

    Who knows? You might just end up being the best caring nurse in the whole wide world!!! GOOD!!! I will be the first to congratulate you!! Or, you might realize that this just ain't for you. That really is O.K., too. I am not telling you, "Don't go into nursing." Rather I'm asking you to consider your motives and to reflect on your value system. That is an exercise that should be on-going for all healthcare professionals.
    Last edit by Ted on Sep 8
  6. by   herring_RN
    Quote from Tetra
    I'm confused by your post. When did I say I'm not respectful of others, or the cultures of others, religions, or those who are different? What are you talking about? Please provide any post I wrote...

    Also, the nurses on this forum are so far from inclusive you must be in a dreamworld. If you want, I can actually provide the posts?
    Oh how often do I have to learn "DON'T ASSUME" I've been so guilty of this and had the relearn it over and over.
    So please understand that I'm just pointing out that Ted never said you were disrespectful of anyone.

    I've known him here on this forum for many years. We have disagreed, explained, understood, failed to understand after trying, joked, enjoyed music, and been silly.

    I invite you to read and post in the "Daily Diary" section of the Break Room. It is fun and we get to know each other.
    Being a nursing student you may not have time to visit many days. But please consider this as a welcome.
  7. by   Tetra
    Quote from herring_RN
    Oh how often do I have to learn "DON'T ASSUME" I've been so guilty of this and had the relearn it over and over.
    So please understand that I'm just pointing out that Ted never said you were disrespectful of anyone.

    I've known him here on this forum for many years. We have disagreed, explained, understood, failed to understand after trying, joked, enjoyed music, and been silly.

    I invite you to read and post in the "Daily Diary" section of the Break Room. It is fun and we get to know each other.
    Being a nursing student you may not have time to visit many days. But please consider this as a welcome.
    I'm not a bad guy. I know I can sound like a jerk through text, but it's not intended. I also know that my views aren't in line with many people. I mean, I'm not crazy, I get I'm not popular here.

    I want to say though, I'm just very fiscally conservative... a true free market capitalist in this sense. However, I very much love people, and I love diversity, as well as different ideas! My favorite class so far has been on cultural relativism. Just thought I'd clear that up is all.

    Thank you for the welcome, and I'll for sure check it out.
  8. by   toomuchbaloney
    Most people that I encounter or know consider themselves to be fiscal conservatives, myself included.
  9. by   Tetra
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Most people that I encounter or know consider themselves to be fiscal conservatives, myself included.
    Well people do say that, but clearly most on this forum do not support being fiscally conservative on issues regarding health care. I've stated my opinions on true free market capitalism when it comes to health care... it didn't really go over too well.
  10. by   Ted
    Quote from Tetra
    I'm not a bad guy. I know I can sound like a jerk through text, but it's not intended. I also know that my views aren't in line with many people. I mean, I'm not crazy, I get I'm not popular here.

    I want to say though, I'm just very fiscally conservative... a true free market capitalist in this sense. However, I very much love people, and I love diversity, as well as different ideas! My favorite class so far has been on cultural relativism. Just thought I'd clear that up is all.

    Thank you for the welcome, and I'll for sure check it out.

    There is no doubt that written words can easily be misunderstood. Heck, spoken words can easily be misunderstood.

    Understand that this is a bulletin board. Like most other bulletin boards, members rarely know each other. So, for good or for bad, choice of words can sometimes matter. If the intent of joining a bulletin board like this one is simply to "ruffle the feathers", then it goes to reason that being careful in one's writing is not important. Ultimately, the other members of the bulletin board usually fluff off such individuals. And, again, who cares?? But if the intent is to be an active member of a bulletin board, then yes, choice of words do matter, especially because written words can easily be misinterpreted.

    This particular bulletin board is, for the most part, a quality one. There is a WEALTH of expert information to be found here! Just as important, there are genuine friendships made here. For example, herring_RN and I have known each other for a long time. (She's one of the best!)

    When I say words do matter, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm criticizing you for being "fiscally conservative". There are many members here who are "fiscally conservative" and believe in a true free market system. To a certain degree, I'm one of those individuals. (Shocked?!?) You probably know this, but, there exists down-sides to having an unfettered "market system", especially if there exists few or no checks and balances. So, certain business-related restraints might be needed to prevent scamming, or false advertising, or business practices which could actually harm the consumer. Because of this, it seems almost folly to say something like, ". . . an unfettered capitalism is good for society". It ain't, and history has proven this. To be clear, I am only using this as an example.

    Much support can be found here. It is my sincere hope that you find this to be true, especially as you continue on with your nursing education. Herring_RN shared a great suggestion. How about introducing yourself to the "Daily Diary" forum? It is a very safe place. Although members come and go as they please from one day to the next, there exists of WIDE SPECTRUM of political points of views by the membership. It's just not necessarily expressed on that forum. If you haven't already done so, check out other forums other than the political ones. Let people get to know you a bit. Get to know your fellow members. To be honest, because this is such a HUGE bulletin board, this can be a daunting task. (At least, I find it daunting. Over the past several years, I basically stick to the Daily Diary forum, and other forums on "The Blue Side".) (The "Yellow Side" contains the more focused Nursing-related forums.)

    Well. . . I gotta get going to work. I wish you well. . . .
  11. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from Tetra
    Well people do say that, but clearly most on this forum do not support being fiscally conservative on issues regarding health care. I've stated my opinions on true free market capitalism when it comes to health care... it didn't really go over too well.
    Currently the USA enjoys the least fiscally conservative approach to healthcare. Many people who claim to be fiscal conservatives also support the incredibly expensive death penalty.

    Clearly, there is a difference of opinion as to what fiscal conservatism represents.
  12. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from chare
    Are you actually suggesting that being conservative is reason enough to deny someone entry into the nursing profession? Are there any other areas in which you believe conservatives should be denied entry? And what exactly do you find “tedious and annoying” about conservatives in nursing?

    Why stop with conservatives? Are there any other groups that, in your opinion, should be banned as well?

    And how is this post even acceptable? How long do you think it would be allowed, if I were to post “For reasons I can't imagine, we still let {insert any group other than conservative} in?”
    I took her comments to be tongue-in-cheek.
  13. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    I can't believe this thread is still active!

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