How do you feel about abortion?

  1. Now, before I explain why I ask this, we are all mature adults, so I really want this to stay clean. If anyone disagrees with anyone, please don't start a whole debate or I will have to have this thread deleted.

    The reason for starting this is because abortion is my debate topic in my debate class. I want to know your opinions on this matter. Does anyone know how it is done?

    The people I am against, say that abortion would only be ok if the woman was raped, or if the health of the mother or baby was at risk. But, if the law was changed to the whole rape thing, the girl would have to prove that she was raped. I think that IF the law was changed then the girl should have to go through court, to LEGALLY have an abortion. My opponents say that she should be able to just have a doctor check the girl out and sign something saying that there is evidence that she was raped.

    What do you think? Do you know of any government websites that I could check out to find out about the whole Court Trial? Or if the girl could just get around court and have a doctor look at her? I need some ideas on this, it may help me on my debate.

    Thanks, and PLEASE keep it civil.
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  3. by   sunnygirl272
    The reason for starting this is because abortion is my debate topic in my debate class. I want to know your opinions on this matter. Does anyone know how it is done?

    how an abortion is done? or a court thingie?
  4. by   kristi915
  5. by   Nurse Ratched
    The trend of groups that oppose abortion is to move towards "humanizing" the fetus in a legal sense; i.e. giving it "individual" status in the eyes of the law. If that happens, then the circumstances of the conception would be irrelevant and all abortion would be necessarily illegal. A law that only allowed abortion for those who were raped or molested would seem to violate the equal protection concept for other women.

    In a case where two beings occupy the same body space, and the interests of the two may be mutually exclusive (the woman wants an abortion, and presumably the fetus, if it could speak for itself, would want to not be aborted) then choices must be made. Who has greater standing? Whose needs/desires should win out? And since the needs of the baby do not end at birth, who would be obliged to care for a baby if a mother was forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term?

    This is a link to a clinical description of the abortion process, rhetoric-free.

    Since we are trying to keep this as emotion-free as possible, then I am merely suggesting some jumping off points for your debate. Anyone who wishes to debate abortion will do so to an empty keyboard on this side. Quoting Shay (I think) from another topic, I have no desire to "give CPR to the obviously dead horse."
  6. by   adrienurse
    OMG! Do you know what you're getting into, posting that here?
  7. by   RNforLongTime
    Funny you pose this question today Kristi. I was at a local fair earlier this evening and picked up some literature for a local anti-abortion organization. Abortion is wrong! I used to be pro-choice until I read those pamphlets from a People for Life organization! I read some literature on Partial birth abortion and what I read made me sick. I am wanting a baby in the worst way and haven't been able to conceive for awhile now. So, as of today I have officially changed my stance!
  8. by   live4today
    kristi......I "PM"ed you my response. Best of everything to you on this debate! :kiss
  9. by   dhenceroth
    To add to the confusion.....since abortion is legal....why in some states when a person who assaults a pregnant woman and the baby ends up dying, is the person charged w/ murder of the baby? However, a woman can purposely decide to abort the baby and it is legal ????
  10. by   kristi915
    Originally posted by adrienurse
    OMG! Do you know what you're getting into, posting that here?
    That's why I firmly stated what I said in the beginning of this thread. I will have it deleted if people start a big debate about it, and fight and argue like children. I am asking this for my benifit. I ask that people please respect that this is a grade for me, and this is an important class for me. I need all the help I can get, and I know that the majority of people here on this board are mature, reasonable adults that can control themelves.

    If someone dosn't feel comfortable telling everyone how they feel about abortion then they are welcome to PM me anytime.
  11. by   mario_ragucci
    Abortion is about religion and supreme being, who aledgedly made all past and future life. Because there are people-people and god-people on this board, it's easy to predict with absolute certainty, the responses.

    if anyone wants to prevent a woman from having an abortion, they should drop tens of thousands of dollars for each abortion they want to prevent, covering the cost of raising an unwanted child. I honor and respect you for opening the montra that will follow here.
    Kristi, I guess I'm just really not sure what you're asking for here.

    The people you are against say abortion should only be legal in case of rape? So then your argument would be...... it should be legal all of the time, or never? Which side will you be debating?

    Either way, a simple search of abortion laws or abortion procedures in your internet browser should yield enough results to keep you busy. I would bet you could also find quite a bit of information at your local hospital library. Do you have an OB? Is there a facility in your area that performs such procedures? You could set up informational visits, tours, and interviews.

    I just don't see what many of us here could help you with other than personal opinion. And it's not that I'm afraid to share mine, I just don't see how the allnurses opinion of abortion will have any bearing on your debate.

    Good luck! Let us know how it goes!

  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I believe it is a private issue between mother and her care provider, and her diety, if she believes...... And before you yell at me about men's rights, I feel for men, (really, I do), but biology did NOT set the favor (or burden, depending on the perspective) in their direction. I am NOT looking for FLAMES, just answering the question and I am NOT interested in debating this w/any of the good folks here at any time. Thank you.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Sep 10, '02
  14. by   sjoe
    I think--The more the better. The earlier the better. The sooner the better.

    By the way, the tone of your initial post is most condescending.
    Last edit by sjoe on Sep 16, '02

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