How about Nelson Mandela calling Bush a rascist and a "super idiot?"

  1. Didn't mince words on his opinion.
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  3. by   fergus51
    Inappropriate to say the least. A lot of people think he's an idiot, but that doesn't mean they say it to a news crew. I don't see how this will help the situation at all.
  4. by   ShandyLynnRN
    I must have missed that one! All I can say is that Nelson must have some big Cahoonas (sp?)
  5. by   passing thru
    The article mentioned he was a former Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
  6. by   Stargazer
    passing thru, could you please post a link to the actual article you're quoting? It would help in discussing this if all of us were able to refer to it. I searched Google, CNN, and MSNBC, and found the following articles:

    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...path=News/News

    http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...003013128.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/national/28NOBE.html


    none of which use the words "racist" or "superidiot." Thanks!
  7. by   SharonH, RN
    From Yahoo:



    Mandela Calls Bush Shortsighted on Iraq
    Thu Jan 30, 1:06 PM ET


    By JAPAN MATHEBULA, Associated Press Writer


    JOHANNESBURG, South Africa - Former President Nelson Mandela called President Bush (news - web sites) arrogant and shortsighted and implied that he was racist for ignoring the United Nations (news - web sites) in his zeal to attack Iraq.



    In a speech Thursday, Mandela urged the people of the United States to join massive protests against Bush. Mandela called on world leaders, especially those with vetoes in the U.N. Security Council, to oppose him.


    "One power with a president who has no foresight and cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust," Mandela told the International Women's Forum.


    Mandela also criticized Iraq for not cooperating fully with the weapons inspectors and said South Africa would support any action against Iraq that was supported by the United Nations.


    White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) responded to Mandela's criticism by pointing to a letter by eight European leaders reiterating their support of Bush.


    "The president expresses his gratitude to the many leaders of Europe who obviously feel differently" than Mandela, Fleischer said. "He understands there are going to be people who are more comfortable doing nothing about a growing menace that could turn into a holocaust."


    A Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mandela has repeatedly condemned U.S. behavior toward Iraq in recent months and demanded Bush respect the authority of the United Nations. His comments Thursday, though, were far more critical and his attack on Bush far more personal than in the past.


    "Why is the United States behaving so arrogantly?" he asked. "All that (Bush) wants is Iraqi oil," he said.


    He accused Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) of undermining the United Nations and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites), who is from Ghana.


    "Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white," he said.


    Mandela said the United Nations was the main reason there has been no World War III and it should make the decisions on how to deal with Iraq.


    He said that the United States, which callously dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, has no moral authority to police the world.


    "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don't care for human beings," he said.


    "Who are they now to pretend that they are the policemen of the world, the ones that should decide for the people of Iraq what should be done with their government and their leadership?" he said.


    He said Bush was "trying to bring about carnage" and appealed to the American people to vote him out of office and demonstrate against his policies.


    He also condemned Blair for his strong support of the United States.


    "He is the foreign minister of the United States. He is no longer prime minister of Britain," he said.









    I read that the superidiot comment came from an Iraqi newspaper. He did not use the word "racist" either. However I agree with Mr. Mandela's observations wholeheartedly. He is remarkably insightful in regards to Mr. Bush's behavior.
  8. by   prmenrs
    "cajones", ShandyLynn. j=h sound. I agree, anyway!
  9. by   maureeno
    Stargazer is point-on in warning about the use of loaded words; I also heard the same ones [racist, idiot] used on one of the national television broadcasts last night, I switch around like mad so I can't say which network it was. Mandela's words were strong enough. Here's an article today from an African newspaper,Cape Argus.

    >>Mandela gets Bush brush-off
    The White House has brushed aside Nelson Mandela's ferocious personal attack on President George Bush, pointing to the statement of support by eight European leaders, and warning that standing by was more dangerous than taking action now.
    Bush was grateful to the many leaders of Europe "who obviously feel differently" from Mandela, Ari Fleischer, Bush's spokesman, said.
    Fleischer chided "people more comfortable with doing nothing about a growing menace that could turn into a holocaust".
    Mandela yesterday described Bush as a leader "who has no foresight and cannot think properly and who now wants to plunge the world into a holocaust".
    In a speech in Johannesburg at the World Women's Forum, he said Bush was arrogant, implying he was a racist in his readiness to ignore the United Nations.
    Fleischer later accused Bush's critics of looking the other way while a "holocaust" brewed.
    "The president will understand there are going to be people who are more comfortable doing nothing about a growing menace that can turn into a holocaust," he said.
    Mandela said: "Why does the United States behave so arrogantly?"
    The answer might be, he suggested, "because the secretary-general of the UN (Ghanaian Kofi Annan) is now a black man".
    Urging Americans to take to the streets in protest, Mandela accused Tony Blair of acting like "the foreign minister" of the US.
    Joe Biden, the senior Democrat on the US Senate foreign affairs committee, said yesterday: "Such sentiments are not voiced here. But concern at the damage to the reputation of the US, and the risk it will be alone in rebuilding Iraq, is widespread.
    "The US had to be wary of actions that make us look like a bunch of cowboys."
    capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=43946

    Mandela has been warning for months about the anticipated US action in Iraq. My own perspective is BushII would not be doing any differently no matter who headed the UN. However I sure can appreciate Mandela's frustration.
  10. by   fab4fan
    I believe it's "cojones"...
  11. by   Stargazer
    Thanks for the articles, Sharon and maureeno. Threads like this tend to get heated so quickly that I just don't see any point unless we're all at least starting out with the same information available to all.
  12. by   donmurray
    Interesting that the White House thanked the eight European Union members for their support. Five members declined to sign. France and Germany were not even asked! Europe is now more divided, thanks to Batman and Robin.
    Last edit by donmurray on Feb 7, '03
  13. by   LasVegasRN
    Nelson Mandela choosing not to "candy coat" words most likely came from all the hard time spent in prison under Apartheid. I'm not surprised nor shocked by his comment. He has a right to state his opinion just like everyone else.

    FWIW, I don't agree or disagree with it. I'm just tired of all of it.
  14. by   BellaTerra2002
    I understand, Vegas. So am I. I wish they'd either s--t or get off the pot. The suspense is wearing me out.

    But, ya know, I hadn't heard anything about this until I read this thread -- and, personally, I think that Mandela is right and that FINALLY someone has the cajones to 'tell it like it is'. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anyone is going to much attention. However, history will make note of this man and not just because he spent almost 30 years in prison. Well, history will make note if there are any people left to read the history that is currently being written.

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