Here in the USA, I was Censored on a BB!

  1. I've been visiting a BBS on computers that a member here told me about for over a month now. It is a small site, and they developed an Off Topic forum. Someone from New Zealand posted a thread on the war with Iraq, and I was the lone American speaking against it. Most of my posts were erased, including a longer speech by Senator Robert Byrd on the floor of the US Senate.

    I WAS CENSORED!!!

    In all my years of living here in the USA, I have NEVER had that happen before!

    The administrator sent me an email today saying:
    "call me a liar, thats fine with me. But I see everything that goes on here, whether actually being logged on, or through log files.
    and I removed your post in the avatar thread. that is not the place to be discussing such things."

    All of my posts were removed from 2 threads where I said that I was censored, and the thread was closed that was asking about the war with Iraq. The administrator later PM'ed me that he didn't want political discussions brought up there (this was not in the terms of service, BTW). My PM box was full, so I didn't get to save all of the PM's I received from the administrator about this.

    I am hurt, angry and shocked that young people here in the USA would think it is okay to erase a different viewpoint than theirs. I am very angry that this kind of behavior is acceptable to these youngsters. And I did get hot-headed (after the first PM today) and tell this administrator that he has shown me what it is like to be a second class citizen in a third world country and that I would come back to this site and tell members here that they shouldn't visit that BB. This was his response: "Re: CENSORING FREE SPEECH!
    I could care less what you do. Do what you'd like.
    You can call me a liar all you'd like, I didn't remove your posts.
    please don't return here, I don't want someone who thinks that we do such a stupid thing. "

    Now, that is 2 separate posts where he says I called him a liar (I didn't, I just asked him how 3 of MY seperated posts could get erased from a thread when no one else's were).

    So okay, I have had my rant. My question is: is it right to make up rules as the administrator wishes once a BB is established? Can comments opposing the BB administrator's views be erased in selected areas? Is it legal for them to censor someone like that on a BB? I followed the "Terms of Agreement" of the site: There was no swearing, no crude remarks, and no personal attacks by me on anyone until the last PM I sent the administrator this afternoon (see above: my "threat" involved the not returning and not promoting the site-- again, no rudeness or vulgarity involved). I had to go to work; otherwise I would have posted this here earlier. I am still upset about this, and would like others opinions on this matter.

    Thanks.
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  2. 25 Comments

  3. by   TNcanNURSE
    Was that on this Bulletin board. If so I'm betting this thread will be closed too.
  4. by   Jenny P
    No it was on a small computer interest BB. Sorry to confuse you like that.
  5. by   Love-A-Nurse
    i would say yes, the rules can be changed and since it was the administrator, he has more rights and will "protect" the majority.

    i am surprise this is bothering you, jenny. things such as this happens to some right here, with doing away with threads and members being band, for whatever reasons, and some who do not like others posts, etc., i mean.

    no one wants to be ignored or made to feel what one says isn't of any substance, but, it happens.

    sorry this happened to you and if i may, do you really care?
  6. by   mother/babyRN
    It bothers me too....Because, a discussion that is one sided is not a discussion..Its simply a one sided view point... If you don't want to hear it, don't call it a discussion group, in my opinion. It isn't the content, its the principle....
  7. by   Jenny P
    What is bothering me is that it was a rational discussion about the war with Iraq. It wasn't a cat fight, it wasn't a bunch of rude people using crude and vulgar language: it was a discussion about how we Americans view the Iraq situation. The New Zealander really wanted to know! These young people were 100% FOR WAR and that it was all because of Sept. 11th! I had a different viewpoint that I did not want war and I felt that it was more about the OIL situation than Sept. 11th. The New Zealander was told he had no clue what it was like to lose people like Sept 11th, he brought up the bombing of the club in Bali and he was told that that was basically nothing!

    The things that upset me was that: 1. I had a different viewpoint and was not allowed to voice it; 2. this was a calm and rational discussion; and 3. what is an off topic forum for except to talk about things that interest people that do not pertain to the main subject of the BBS?.

    I care because I am normally not a hot-head and try very much to discuss current events in a fair and logical manner.
  8. by   Love-A-Nurse
    i am not disagreeing with the principle, nor am i playing down jenny's feeling, or at least that wasn't my intentions, but rather saying, it is hard to see through the clouds of one's beliefs and be open-minded about a different perspective.

    i have learned here that if the poster who reads the posting feels set on a giving view point (some, and myself included), everything else is null and void. why, because it's becomes a self discussion and elaborating on said subject just decrease, for the most part, any rational and objective thinking.

    i am learing to becareful with whom i respond to on some topics, especially, if my thoughts are totally different without first thinking in a calm manner.

    there have been several threads i have overlooked since my return to the board because my outspokeness and my desire to speak from the gut, and sometimes, saying more than need to be said, only hinders and not do any one any good.

    this is a statement is in general, does it not makes one wonder, why some opinions are good, and others opinions are not.

    why some had better becareful what they post and get ridicule and others get a pat on the back.

    finally, a discussion is hard to maintain when no one is really listen, i would think.

    even the polites and most eloquent posters here miss the points on some threads and post with what "they" think the main point is to them.

    oh my, who asked me, i know.
  9. by   Love-A-Nurse
    originally posted by jenny p
    what is bothering me is that it was a rational discussion about the war with iraq. it wasn't a cat fight, it wasn't a bunch of rude people using crude and vulgar language: it was a discussion about how we americans view the iraq situation. the new zealander really wanted to know! these young people were 100% for war and that it was all because of sept. 11th! i had a different viewpoint that i did not want war and i felt that it was more about the oil situation than sept. 11th. the new zealander was told he had no clue what it was like to lose people like sept 11th, he brought up the bombing of the club in bali and he was told that that was basically nothing!

    jenny, one of my points i was trying hard to make, you stated it in your post above. "i had a different view point." yes, you had one and the younger posters had another. each of you were set on his point and therefore, there were not any communication to inject due to the selfishness of those who refused to take the others point in the right content, not to agree, but to at least here the opposite points.


    when i asked do you care, it was meant to ignite a response that would say, it was one sided and my valid points never had a chance. are you to feel bad for that, no. sure they be compel to stop and listen, no.

    if the said discussion steers off course, [ i must remember this myself] it is probably best to let is sink.

    now, you and i have no quarrels, i simply see it one way, and you see it another.

    i am off of my late night soap box, thanks for the discussion.




    the things that upset me was that: 1. i had a different viewpoint and was not allowed to voice it; 2. this was a calm and rational discussion; and 3. what is an off topic forum for except to talk about things that interest people that do not pertain to the main subject of the bbs?.

    i care because i am normally not a hot-head and try very much to discuss current events in a fair and logical manner.
    jenny, i posted my last reply as you were posting because i didn't see it, at least.
  10. by   Jenny P
    Stephany, I think I understand what you are saying. I also try VERY hard to see the other persons' veiwpoint and try to mediate most discussions and answer in a calm rational way. I have never had just MY posts erased before-- even if it was just a few SEPARATED posts that were a different viewpoint than theirs.

    I HAVE seen posts deleted here before; but they were deleted by the person who first made them; or if they were crude and vulgar then I have seen words that were bleeped out (**) or the Administrator would warn people of this. But to have another persons' viewpoint removed because it was different is what happened; and THAT is what I am angry about. Was the conversation off track? No.

    It was like someone editing your words on tape; it changes a whole conversation around!
  11. by   fergus51
    But wasn't the whole thread closed? Is it a little underhanded to remove your posts? Yes. Is it really censorship? No, because administrators of a bb have the right to remove anything they want and aren't stopping you from expressing your opinion, they are only stopping you from expressing your opinion on their bb. Chalk it up to small mindedness and avoid that bb in the future is what I would do.
  12. by   cindyln
    It's the administrator's BB, they can do whatever they like with posts. They own it. Play by their rules or don't play at all. It's as simple as that.
  13. by   Q.
    Sure, the BB admin can do as he pleases. But that doesn't change the principle of the matter, and that is basically being silenced because your views aren't the "right" views.
    Last edit by Susy K on Feb 22, '03
  14. by   memphispanda
    The deal is, the government can't impose censorship. However, the private owner of a service can certainly choose what will and will not be allowed on his bulletin board.

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