Hardly a "chocolate puppet"

  1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1561791.stm

    I have a HUGE amount of respect for Condy Rice. I was really shocked to hear someone on another thread refer to her as a "chocolate puppet" Although a bit quiet she appears to be the driving force behind Bush's foregn relations...as hard assed as they are.
    She believes in education which certainly helped her fight against the rascism she and her family had to endure in Ala.

    I guess what I am asking for is an explanation why some folks deny that she is "black". Whatever that means.



    Profile: Condoleezza Rice


    Condoleezza Rice: Mr Bush's right-hand woman

    By US affairs analyst Ben Wright
    Condoleezza Rice is the first woman to occupy the key post of national security adviser.

    She is the most academic member of the Bush foreign affairs team and - because of her gender, background and youth - one of the most distinctive.

    She is personally close to Mr Bush, barely leaving his side during the 2000 presidential election.

    And, as a well-liked and trusted policy adviser, she has proved a useful ally for a president with little experience of foreign affairs.


    Past advisers

    The profile of the national security adviser varies from one administration to the next, as does their power over policy.

    Some, like Ms Rice's mentor (and national security adviser to George Bush Snr), Brent Scowcroft, were important, but low-profile co-ordinators of foreign policy.

    Others, such as Bill Clinton's Sandy Berger, were more visible.

    Perhaps the most powerful and visible national security adviser of recent years was Henry Kissinger, who started as national security adviser to Richard Nixon and then became his secretary of state.

    Uncompromising positions

    Ms Rice's influence over the new administration's early foreign policy strategy has been considerable.

    She led the tricky negotiations with Russia (her academic specialisation) over missile defence, and is thought to have spearheaded the unilateralist tone of the first months of the Bush presidency.

    Her uncompromising positions on missile defence, Russia and the environment won respect but helped build the European caricature of the new president as toxic troglodyte.

    She has since admitted that the Kyoto decision could have been handled better.

    However, Ms Rice, like many in the administration, thinks of US foreign policy largely in terms of US national and strategic interest, and she is no fan of the US acting as a paternalistic nation-builder.

    Against the odds

    Ms Rice was born in 1954 and grew up in Birmingham, Alabama under the shadow of segregation.

    She has often said that to get ahead she had to be "twice as good" and her childhood chiselled her strong determination and self-respect.

    Taught by her parents that education provided armour against segregation and prejudice, Ms Rice worked her way to college by the age of 15.

    She graduated at 19 from the University of Denver with a degree in political science.

    Soviet interest

    It was at Denver that Ms Rice first became interested in international relations and the study of the Soviet Union.

    Her inspiration came from a course taught by the Czech refugee, Josef Korbel, father to the United States' first woman Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright.

    A masters and doctorate followed and, at the age of 26, Ms Rice became a fellow at Stanford University's Centre for International Security and Arms Control.

    After serving as the Soviet affairs adviser on Bush Senior's National Security Council, Condoleezza Rice returned to Stanford in 1991 and, in 1993, became the youngest, the first female and first non-white provost.

    It is difficult to make generalisations about Condoleezza Rice. She is an African-American National Security Adviser, but for a Republican administration that won just 10% of the black vote.

    Some profiles of Rice describe her as precise and prissy. But she is also a pianist, ice skater and sports fan.

    Rice's belief in education and self-improvement seem to be the key to understanding her.

    In an interview with Newsweek magazine, Rice said that despite growing up with racial segregation, personal expectations were high.

    "My parents had me absolutely convinced that, well, you may not be able to have a hamburger at Woolworth's but you can be president of the United States."
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  2. 84 Comments

  3. by   jadednurse
    I read that on the other thread too furball and am also curious to understand the logic.
  4. by   CCL"Babe"
    I would vote for her way beforre Hillary for any office.
  5. by   Q.
    I would vote for her as well. I wish she would run for office.
  6. by   Furball
    I'm confused and annoyed. Why is it that blacks who "make it" outside of sports and entertainment seem to receive these type of snide comments? Do sports stars put up with this junk?

    You would think having people of all colors....EVERYWHERE would be a good thing.... whether or not you agree with them. I just don't get it.
    Last edit by Furball on Jun 29, '03
  7. by   Q.
    You would think Furball. But as we've read, the blacks that ARE in powerful positions in the White House don't think for themselves. Colin Powell, Condy Rice; naahh. They just do what Bush tells them. They are ignorant. They are stupid. They don't have any original thoughts. Puppets. And not just ANY puppets - but chocolate puppets.
    And like Miquel Estrada - the first Hispanic to be nominated to one of the highest courts in the nation. Again - no original thought. Just a dumb ole' Mexican filling Bush's quota.

    Man, if those aren't racial comments I don't know what is.

    And to clarify: my comments above are not MINE - they are paraphrases of what I've read here and elsewhere.
    Personally? All three of the above people have my utmost respect and admiration.
    Last edit by Susy K on Jun 29, '03
  8. by   Furball
    "Highly illogical"...as Spock would say.
  9. by   Mkue
    I have always admired Ms. Rice, she is an intelligent woman, confident and successful. Furball, your article makes me proud she is in the White House.
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Jealousy and envy do create some strange perspectives for some......

    And that is just what it is. it is EASY to sit back and not give credit where it's due and whine, so much harder to rise above a tough situation and DO something with one's life.
  11. by   Furball
    Lightbulb!

    I think you just hit the proverbial nail on the head!
  12. by   Furball
    As time goes by and racism diminishes (although still exists) is it possible that successful people anger some folks because it diminishes or takes away from the role of victim?
    Just thinking out loud here...I don't know.
    Last edit by Furball on Jun 29, '03
  13. by   Q.
    I think that sometimes such people who are the exemplars of overcoming adversity and reaching success surely do put the kabash on the notion that minorities are held back and will NEVER accomplish what a white man could.

    I know Rice, Powell and Estrada hold views that not everyone agrees with - such is life. But no one said you had to agree with them. Rather celebrate in the accomplishments these individuals realized; read their bios before you judge. And for the love of Pete certainly don't dismiss their accomplishments by calling them a chocolate puppet!
  14. by   H ynnoD
    Smilingblue eyes hit the nail on the head when she stated(jealousy and envy do create some strange perspectives for some....)How easy it is to belittle the person who has made it big,to try and bring them down to our level.I see it as doors opening for other people to step though and do great things also.But it is so much easier to belittle, then to do the hard work each of them did to get to where they are.

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