Global war on terror?

  1. Let's be honest. The so-called "Global War on Terror" is not going brilliantly just now.

    Today, the immediate threat to the Free World comes from Islamofascism - yet another totalitarian ideology, this time masquerading as a religion. Most Muslims around the world do not subscribe to the Islamist agenda. They are increasingly being forced to embrace it, or at least go along with it, however, under threat of violence or other coercive techniques. By demonstrating our resolve to resist the Islamofascists and to help non-Islamist Muslim to do so as well, we can enlarge the Free World and secure the allies we will need to prevail.
    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...03/159226.html
    Food for thought. "War for the Free World"
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  2. 37 Comments

  3. by   Brotherbob
    "Today, as in the past, we need to fight as though our lives, fortunes and freedom depend on it, for indeed they do. We need to put the country on a true war footing......"

    That is some scary food for thought Mkue. Definitely not what we need.
    Last edit by Brotherbob on Oct 4, '05
  4. by   gwenith
    This is a complete and utter load of crock and typical of townhall rhetorrhic - totally meaningless except to give some people a right to feel righteous.

    Last night I watched a special program live from Jakarta. It was an open discussion with a studio of indonesians - some journalists, some academics and some from other walks of life. Obviously given that this is the third bomb to involve Australians the questions were asked "why Australia".

    The answers were surprising. Break down the barriers. As we know you better you become less of the enemy and more of a friend. Learn more of Indonesia. One VERY erudite and impressive female (yes female journalist in a muslim country) spoke to the Western media's penchant for oversimplifying issues and sensationalising them. She spoke of how hard it is to explain the steps that ARE being taken to empower the moderates so that the moderate voices will drown out the extremists.

    Labelling something and then just painting it black does NOT solve the problem.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ITA Gwenith! I-T-A!
  6. by   Mkue
    Today, the immediate threat to the Free World comes from Islamofascism - yet another totalitarian ideology, this time masquerading as a religion
    Let me be more specific..I'm talking globally.. would anyone disagree that our immediate threat around the world are Islamic radicals or radical terrorists? um Al qaeda.

    Personally I don't think threats of terrorism are oversensationalized. Just ask anyone who has been involved in a terrorist bombing. And the numbers are becoming increasingly higher.

    No one yet on this forum has offered any suggestions, solutions, ideas as to what we can do to prevent future attacks "globally. Are we doing enough globally? Or are we just going to continually gasp each time there is an attack.
  7. by   Grace Oz
    And once there were communists.......

    Now we have another totalitarian ideology to resist and conquer.

    Saw that same programme last night, Gwenith. First time I've ever seen an Indonesian speak with a distinctly, almost Queen's english, accent!!!

    Why is it that WE, the Aussies, are the ones who have to make the changes??
    I'm all for walking together long enough and talking together long enough, and eventually, we'll understand each other. But ... apart from David Hicks, ( and he's yet to be proven guilty), I don't see any other Aussies committing acts of terrorisim.

    Quite frankly, I'm sick to death of hearing that Australians are racist, prejudiced, "white australia" policy thinking, bigots! We are NONE of those things! Certainly not collectively, anyway.

    As one very ordinary individual human being, the only way I can see for me to DO something about fighting terrorism, is to act locally. Be the best person, mother, wife, friend, neighbour, etc,I can, and treat others, as I myself, would wish to be treated. I'm 'too old' for the military, they won't take me. Don't qualify to join the intelligence organisations. Remember, I said I'm a very ordinary citizen!:chuckle And have absolutely NO desire to become a mercenary! Sooo... that leaves, what? Me doing 'my bit' as best I can within my limited resources.

    Just my 'two bob's worth'. ( twenty cents for those who don't know what 'two bob' is) It's an 'Aussie-ism'!
  8. by   gwenith
    Agreed Grace - That program is going to be repeated on Friday on SBS - glad you caught it - I thought it was facinating. (For those overseas the transcript is here http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/# click on transcripts and the program was called "neighbours")

    Here is part of the discussions
    DESI ANWAR: Jenny, the man behind the bars is not representative of Muslims. He is a criminal. That's why he's behind bars. For the rest of us, when the Bali bombing happened, when the Australian Embassy bombing happened, when 9/11 happened, we were devastated, we were very, very - I mean, the whole thing was very, very tragic and we were extremely sorry and more so because of it happening to our guests, you know, these are the guests of Indonesia. And if it happens, say for example - we've seen so many tragedies in Indonesia, so many conflicts, so many bombings that they hardly make headlines any more but when it happened to the Australians in Bali and also the attempt at the Embassy, we in the media made it very sure that we showed our sympathy and we were extremely sorry. And that's all in sincerity because we are as disgusted, you know, when we see violence, when we see murders, when we see senseless killings. I mean, we are just as terrified of terrorism as anybody else.

    I want to watch dateline tonight about Mukhtar Mai - now there is a woman whom I deeply respect!! http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/

    But I will say it again I believe the only way to stop terrorism is to treat it as a criminal activity not a call to war.

    This is what we did for the last two bombings and now the perpetrators are behind bars. There are still more out there but they are on borrowed time. We will get them. Us and the Indonesian Police. And the Indonesian justice system is more unforgiving than ours.
  9. by   Mkue
    treating terrorism as a criminal justice matter is wrongheaded.
    http://www.cato.org/current/terroris...ey-010925.html
    When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor we did not respond by "launching an investigation." We didn't try to identify who piloted the planes and try to extradite them.
    http://www.tffky.org/op-ed/oped-hl-0...terrorism.html
    Here in the US we have many different opinions as to how to best deal with terrorists. Some want to treat terrorism as a criminal matter, others feel differently. Personally I prefer a more aggressive approach to counter-terrorism rather than a passive "wait until the next attack and we will arrest you" I think that leaves us in a "victim" mode and I like to think being pro-active is the key.
  10. by   Jessy_RN
    Quote from gwenith
    This is a complete and utter load of crock and typical of townhall rhetorrhic - totally meaningless except to give some people a right to feel righteous.

    Last night I watched a special program live from Jakarta. It was an open discussion with a studio of indonesians - some journalists, some academics and some from other walks of life. Obviously given that this is the third bomb to involve Australians the questions were asked "why Australia".

    The answers were surprising. Break down the barriers. As we know you better you become less of the enemy and more of a friend. Learn more of Indonesia. One VERY erudite and impressive female (yes female journalist in a muslim country) spoke to the Western media's penchant for oversimplifying issues and sensationalising them. She spoke of how hard it is to explain the steps that ARE being taken to empower the moderates so that the moderate voices will drown out the extremists.

    Labelling something and then just painting it black does NOT solve the problem.
    Nothing but the truth said here!
  11. by   Roy Fokker
    This whole thread is furthur proof that noone ever really bothers reading my posts. Solutions for the terrorist question have been bandied about for over a year now.... but who the hell bothers to read?

    Instead of understanding WHAT causes terrorism, we behave in the short sighted manner of fighting the effects of terrorism.

    Not all terrorists are uneducated village idiots - some are doctors and engineers. What causes these educated men to give up lives of security and relative comfort to seek violent death to prove a point?

    Instead of pondering questions like these, we continue in trying to seek a one-size-fits-all solution to a complex problem. We let our hammer fall the world over - and where it falls, the guilty AND hundreds of innocents along with them perish. Naturally, the survivors are expected to grin and bear it.... afterall, we did it for their good. It was just a regretable outcome, that's all.

    Foreign misadventures are what created the breeding grounds for these terrorists in the first place. Hey, as long as those 'terrorists' are killing citizens, soldiers and destabilising governments who don't kow-tow to us... it's fine and dandy, right? And now to fix it, we seek MORE foreign intervention.


    And naturally, it is OUR responsibility to fix the ills of the world.


    Yep, just as I thought. My feeble brain has managed to grasp it all. I have been enlightened. I am in the dark no more.

    Everything makes sense.
    Last edit by Roy Fokker on Oct 5, '05
  12. by   jnette
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Instead of understanding WHAT causes terrorism, we behave in the short sighted manner of fighting the EFFECTS of terrorism.

    Not all terrorists are uneducated village idiots - some are doctors and engineers. What causes these educated men to give up lives of security and relative comfort to seek violent death to prove a point?

    Instead of pondering questions like these, we continue in trying to seek a one-size-fits-all solution to a complex problem. We let our hammer fall the world over - and where it falls, the guilty AND hundreds of innocents along with them perish. Naturally, the survivors are expected to grin and bear it.... afterall, we did it for their good. It was just a regretable outcome, that's all.

    Foreign misadventures are what created the breeding grounds for these terrorists in the first place. Hey, as long as those 'terrorists' are killing citizens, soldiers and destabilising governments who don't kow-tow to us... it's fine and dandy, right? And now to fix it, we seek MORE foreign intervention.


    And naturally, it is OUR responsibility to fix the ills of the world.

    Well said, Roy... thank you !
  13. by   Mkue
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    This whole thread is furthur proof that noone ever really bothers reading my posts. Solutions for the terrorist question have been bandied about for over a year now.... but who the hell bothers to read?

    Instead of understanding WHAT causes terrorism, we behave in the short sighted manner of fighting the effects of terrorism.

    Not all terrorists are uneducated village idiots - some are doctors and engineers. What causes these educated men to give up lives of security and relative comfort to seek violent death to prove a point?

    Instead of pondering questions like these, we continue in trying to seek a one-size-fits-all solution to a complex problem. We let our hammer fall the world over - and where it falls, the guilty AND hundreds of innocents along with them perish. Naturally, the survivors are expected to grin and bear it.... afterall, we did it for their good. It was just a regretable outcome, that's all.

    Foreign misadventures are what created the breeding grounds for these terrorists in the first place. Hey, as long as those 'terrorists' are killing citizens, soldiers and destabilising governments who don't kow-tow to us... it's fine and dandy, right? And now to fix it, we seek MORE foreign intervention.


    And naturally, it is OUR responsibility to fix the ills of the world.


    Yep, just as I thought. My feeble brain has managed to grasp it all. I have been enlightened. I am in the dark no more.

    Everything makes sense.
    I think your posts are responded to quite often.

    My question is are we doing enough? to fight terrorism..we still have bombings t/o the world and all we can do is "gasp".. another bombing.

    Foreign misadventures are what created the breeding grounds for these terrorists in the first place
    So should we ask permission from the muslim radical fanatic terrorists before we do anything?
  14. by   Brotherbob
    So should we ask permission from the muslim radical fanatic terrorists before we do anything?
    No, but you should not be surprised when the result of violence is more violence.

    Roy said it well.

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