Germany moves to ban Scientology

  1. BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- Germany's top security officials said Friday they consider the goals of the Church of Scientology to be in conflict with the principles of the nation's constitution and will seek to ban the organization.

    The interior ministers of the nation's 16 states plan to give the nation's domestic intelligence agency the task of preparing the necessary information to ban the organization, which has been under observation for a decade on allegations that it "threatens the peaceful democratic order" of the country.
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  3. by   Alois Wolf
    I thought they already had made it illegal. :P Personally I think it's a big a-do about a religion that came from a novel.
  4. by   zooz
    Quote from Alois Wolf
    Personally I think it's a big a-do about a religion that came from a novel.
    I'm with you on that one; I don't get the big hoop-la Germany is making over this.

    If someone wants to believe in Xenu and all that goes along with those Ron L. Hubbard stories, be my guest. Live and let live.

    Germany does not recognize Scientology as a religion and regard it as a cult masquerading as a church to make money. -- Reuters
    Money? Well, I don't know where they got that idea from. :uhoh21:

    I certainly have never thought that.


    Edit: Okay, I admit, I sound like a hypocrite for all my religious and belief tolerance speech in the Golden Compass thread. I do tolerate people's beliefs in Scientology, but I'd be lying if I said that I didn't see a connection between The Church of Scientology and money. Just wanted to make that clear.

    Edit, Part Deux: But I don't believe banning Scientology is right -- to repeat Dria: It is unsettling, to say the least.

    (Now have I made myself clear? )
    Last edit by zooz on Dec 8, '07
  5. by   dria
    Quote from zooz
    i'm with you on that one.
    edit: okay, i admit, i sound like a hypocrite for all my religious and belief tolerance speech in the golden compass thread. i do tolerate people's beliefs in scientology, but i'd be lying if i said that i didn't see a connection between the church of scientology and money. just wanted to make that clear.
    know what you mean there. however, i agree that the banning makes me nervous...people should be able to believe whatever they want, no matter how "far-out" another thinks it is.
    i find this unsettling to say the least.
  6. by   zooz
    Quote from dria
    know what you mean there. however, i agree that the banning makes me nervous...people should be able to believe whatever they want, no matter how "far-out" another thinks it is.
    i find this unsettling to say the least.
    exactly.

    you take away one group's right--make it illegal, ban it, or however you want to say it--to express or practice their religion/spiritual beliefs, and what right does any one else have to their beliefs?

    i would have thought germany, of all countries, would have learned something about controlling religious practices by now.
    Last edit by zooz on Dec 8, '07
  7. by   dria
    didn't want to bring that up, but i was thinking exactly the same thing...
  8. by   gwenith
    You have to look at WHY Germany is taking this step.
    All 16 states are prepared to argue that the operations of the Church of Scientology run counter to the German constitution.
    <snip> the organisation is an economic enterprise that exploits people.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...08/2113418.htm
  9. by   zooz
    Quote from gwenith
    You have to look at WHY Germany is taking this step.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...08/2113418.htm
    Did you read the articles I posted? I'm aware of why Germany says they are trying for a ban and I still don't agree with it.

    I'll be honest here, I don't know exactly what criteria would be used to decide the validity of a religion or deem one set of beliefs cultish and others free from cult-like properties, as spiritual beliefs have always seemed like a fairly subjective topic to me.

    Though I will say this: It's not my country. Germany's business is not my business, but I don't have to like this movement towards banning religious, or even what may be considered "cult-like," institutions.

    Just my 0.02.
    Last edit by zooz on Dec 9, '07
  10. by   ElvishDNP
    Regardless of what I feel about Scientology, it gives me the heebie-jeebies that a country is outlawing a certain set of religious beliefs. But Germany is not the first. There are many countries that punish people for converting from the religion of their birth to another.

    That said, somewhere a line needs to be drawn, because at some point there are going to be absolutes about right and wrong. Where those lines are is another topic, another day.
  11. by   fergus51
    It's bizarre. I do see the connection between that religion and moneymaking, but I see that with most religions. Churches aren't built with peanuts! It all costs money. I find it odd to single out Scientology.
  12. by   Tweety
    I agree, it's very nervewracking to me that Germany is doing this.

    We have a lot of Sientologist here. They have a headquarters in Clearwater, FL and have recently opened up a center in downtown St. Pete. They are a bit odd for sure, but no big deal. And yes, they have money (and they pump a bit of it into the local economy).
  13. by   ♪♫ in my ♥
    i think scientology is a predatory organization and i'd be delighted to see it disappear. however, banning it is a first step onto a very scary.slippery slope.

    hearkening back to an earlier time in german history:

    "in germany, they came first for the communists, and i didn't speak up because i wasn't a communist;

    and then they came for the trade unionists, and i didn't speak up because i wasn't a trade unionist;

    and then they came for the jews, and i didn't speak up because i wasn't a jew;

    and then . . . they came for me . . .

    and by that time there was no one left to speak up."
  14. by   Alois Wolf
    Are we comparing the Holocaust to the abololition of Scientology in Germany? That's stretching it a bit I think.

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