Family and Education are the keys to success in our free country

  1. Bush's rhetoric about race is troubling
    Star Parker
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/S...20050919.shtml

    Stars says Bush has it all wrong, it's not racial discrimination in the South that is the problem. Afterall, she notes the police chief is black, the mayor is black, a man who represented New Orleans in the US House for 16 yrs. is black, a former mayor Marc Morial is now President of the Nat'l Urban League.

    Star states that when the flood hit New Orleans "upwards of 70% of households were headed by single parents, mostly women."

    Interesting article and Star nails it once again.

    We can fund and improve the Education needs to a State after a disaster but how will we solve the destruction of the nuclear family? We can't force ppl to marry. We can force fathers to pay child support but you can't get blood out of a turnip.
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  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    I think the President was stating the obvious. If you are born into an uneducated poor family your chances of success are less. You have much more to overcome.

    Clearly the decendents of slaves had a battle just to make it at all. Suddenly in November 1964 people should have the ability to succeed.
    Well many did. Those special individuals blessed with self confidence, optimism, high IQ, and good health DID.
    Average people like me needed a lot of family and societal support. I got it. many did not.

    I am glad the President is willing and able to say it. Blaming the victim doesn't help.
  4. by   Mkue
    I think Star makes a very good point..in cities where there is poverty, there tends to be a destruction of the nuclear family, alot of single moms living in poverty and on Assistance, they don't have two incomes only one..sometimes the fathers don't pay child support. No matter what our pasts are it is possible to have a loving nuclear nurturing family in todays world.
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    Chicken or egg debate?
  6. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from spacenurse
    Chicken or egg debate?
    Egg.

    A mutant egg was laid by a precursor organism (closely related fowl...) that contained a new species of critter...aka..Chicken.

  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from spacenurse
    Chicken or egg debate?

    That's exactly what I was going to say. Star makes very good points, but doesn't "nail it on the head again". She's being way too simplistic.
  8. by   pickledpepperRN
    Quote from Roy Fokker
    Egg.

    A mutant egg was laid by a precursor organism (closely related fowl...) that contained a new species of critter...aka..Chicken.

    Didn't Heinlein say that once?
    Makes sense to me. The mother "hen" was an "almost chicken."
  9. by   pickledpepperRN
    Seriously it is way complicated. As we know children growing up in the same home are often very different as adults
    I am glad Star Parker was not denied welfare when she needed it.


    .Diaries of freed slaves were being transcribed at the library in New Orleans. Louis Hughes and Benjamin Janvier were the two names I remember reading. Janvier wrote in the 1830's. I hope they aren't destroyed by the flood. Excellent descriptions of life. Music and food were important to that city then too. I wish there were recording of the music played at the balls, in Congo Square, the opera houses, bars, and saloons. Jazz was probably embryonic.

    When the levees were being built the work was done by slaves, free men of color, and mules. All were beat if they tried to rest. Literally beat to death. Bodies of mules and men who were considered less valuable than a mule are part of the levees.

    For attractive young women of color the way to survive was to become a 'placee' (mistress) with a white married male "protector". Often they owned homes, their children were educated. That is the kind of history the upper to middle class blacks had in New Orleans.


    http://www.frommers.com/destinations...020020033.html
    This building at 717 Orleans St. was the site of the famous quadroon balls, where wealthy white men would come to form alliances (read: acquire a mistress) with free women of color, who were one-eighth to one-fourth black. Look at the balcony and imagine the assignations that went on there while the balls were in session. The building later became a convent.

    http://www.blackmask.com/thatway/boo.../moruledex.htm
    Ida B. Wells-Barnett Chicago, Sept. 1, 1900
    MOB RULE IN NEW ORLEANS
    SHOT AN OFFICER
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    http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/troy/troy.html
    Hair-breadth Escapes from Slavery to Freedom: Troy, Rev. William, b. 1827
  10. by   SharonH, RN
    http://alternet.org/mediaculture/25549/

    Now that the Welfare Queen narrative has become the prominent way of blaming the victim instead of blaming the federal government for the disaster of Katrina, the word is out that it's open season on the victims. Everyone has to have a piece of them and hang their pet issue around the necks of the already victimized populace of New Orleans. Some right wingers are already testing the waters to see if it's okay to use sexual shame against the victims of Katrina by implying that they only have themselves to blame for being single mothers.


    Sound familiar anyone?
  11. by   URO-RN
    Personal responsibility....anyone?
  12. by   URO-RN
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...5653-8272r.htm
    Blanco takes blame for state response.
    "We all know that there were failures at every level of government: state, federal and local. At the state level, we must take a careful look at what went wrong and make sure it never happens again. The buck stops here, and as your governor, I take full responsibility," Mrs. Blanco told lawmakers in a special meeting of the Louisiana Legislature.
    Failure at the Fed level only? I don't think so.
  13. by   Roy Fokker
    Quote from URO-RN
    Personal responsibility....anyone?
    You just highlighted an excellent example.

    Now I hope to see actions. More than mere "I accept responsibility".

    As I've maintained from the start - the whole damned system is rotten. Not just the Mayor. Not just the State. Not just the Feds.

    Top to Bottom - the entire system let people down.

    During a Los Angeles radio program, Ari Kelman, a history professor at the University of California, Davis, approvingly quoted a colleague as asserting that Katrina "might be our first libertarian atrocity."

    What he meant is that the drive to cut taxes and minimize government, fueled by libertarian sentiments, had supposedly dealt a severe blow to society's capacity to anticipate, plan for and recover from natural -- and unnatural -- disasters like Hurricane Katrina. Democrats and some Republicans are making clear they hope to use the hurricane as a rationale for refusing to extend the tax cuts enacted in 2002-03 and even launching a new poverty program in the guise of hurricane relief.

    "Democrats think this is the worst possible time to be cutting taxes," intoned Thomas Kahn, staff director for Democrats on the House Budget Committee.

    But if there is a message in Hurricane Katrina, it's not that taxes are too low. Indeed, federal tax revenue is $225 billion higher than a year ago -- and up more than 50 percent in the last decade. Federal spending has been rising fast, too: It's back up to about 19.5 percent of gross domestic product, almost exactly the average of the postwar era.

    The problem is that it's much more fun politically to spend billions on highly visible, $225 million bridges to nowhere in Alaska than on stronger levees in New Orleans. In any case, America had large surpluses in the late 1990s, and nothing was done then to strengthen the levees either.

    If anything, the response to Katrina helps make the libertarian case. Let's keep in mind that Katrina was the true atrocity, a gigantic storm whose effects took nearly everybody by surprise. But when the partisan hysteria abates a bit, what we are likely to find is that government at all levels failed to perform effectively. Would that be a big surprise?

    President Bush deserves blame for thinking that in creating the Department of Homeland Security, and placing a patronage-run Federal Emergency Management Agency within it, he had done something substantive about U.S. preparedness. But state and local authorities performed no better, and in some cases worse.

    Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco reportedly turned down Bush's offer to use federal troops. New Orleans authorities kept their fleet of school buses on the sidelines rather than enforce their mandatory evacuation order. And when the going got tough, a third of its famously corrupt police department took to the hills.

    Many of the same folks who have been so quick to criticize government for its failure to get things right during Hurricane Katrina now are demanding even bigger government. There is certainly a case to be made, in the age of nuclear-armed terror, that a president should be able to order troops into an emergency without waiting for an invitation -- though civil libertarians might want to think carefully about the implications once they are through bashing Bush.

    I disagree with hard-core libertarians on several issues. But they are right to remind us that government failure is no accident. Political incentives tend to make for a lot of misguided decisions, based more on who has the votes than on who really needs the money.

    Fortunately, democracy tends to correct its mistakes more quickly than other forms of government. But citizens shouldn't delude themselves that higher taxes and bigger government will make them much safer in the long run.

    {emphases in BOLD are mine}


    Detroit News


    But I found the BOLD statements interesting.

    I disagree with many of the premises in the article. Ari Kelman is an idiot - no honest libertarian asks for tax cuts while subsequently ignoring an equal reduction in government expenditure. The current "tax cut but will spend at previous levels" policy is a fantasy designed by the current administration - it has no strain of "libertarian sentiment" behind it.

    PATRIOT - II and Homeland Security anyone? Please! "Libertarian sentiments" my foot!
    Last edit by Roy Fokker on Sep 19, '05
  14. by   Mkue
    Some right wingers are already testing the waters to see if it's okay to use sexual shame against the victims of Katrina by implying that they only have themselves to blame for being single mothers.
    What about dead beat fathers? and the destruction of the nuclear family. I really do think Star nailed it..she's bringing a new awareness to perhaps why poverty existed in New Orleans...and perhaps it's not about racism afterall.. the police chief, mayor, representative and former mayor who is now Pres. of the Nat'l Urban league are all black.. who was holding these people back in New Orleans? Why were they kept tightly clustered below sea level.. how could a state benefit by keeping so many folks held down into poverty? Did the officials get kick backs and use the money for other things besides the poor? hmm. I don't know.
    Last edit by Mkue on Sep 19, '05

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